The Irate 8 - What do hope for them?

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  1. ViperHorn

    ViperHorn 10,000+ Posts

    Kansas, Tech and oSu have plenty to offer the PAC-12 (especially after USC moves to the $EC). Merging with either the I8 or the B1G will not be enough to keep USC if the decide to move.

    As bad as everyone thinks the LHN is, the PAC Network is a dumpster fire with no real network supporting. Half of the offerings are not even in HD.
     
  2. Seattle Husker

    Seattle Husker 10,000+ Posts

    Given Nebraska's record the past few years, I wouldn't quarrel with him transferring in. WR's have been our greatest position of need the last few years.
     
  3. Seattle Husker

    Seattle Husker 10,000+ Posts

    USC isn't going to the SEC. Playing 50% of all of your games on the other side of the country would be laughable and put USC as a massive disadvantage. Those 3 I8 schools are simply more of the same for the Pac12. They are like adding Utah, ASU or Oregon St. None of them bring any measurable amount of TVs with them which is what adds money to the TV contract.
     
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  4. Chop

    Chop 5,000+ Posts

    Any sense on how likely USC is to jump ship?
     
  5. LonghornCatholic

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  7. Seattle Husker

    Seattle Husker 10,000+ Posts

    What's the case for USC jumping alone to a conference with the nearest school 1400 miles away?
     
  8. I_Dont_Exist

    I_Dont_Exist 1,000+ Posts

    There's not a good one unless you're a fan of money grabs. Since TX and OU moved everyone's caught realignment fever. If left to me no conference would have more than 12 and preferably 10.
     
  9. SabreHorn

    SabreHorn 10,000+ Posts

    USC playing 6 games at SEC schools is no different than what they do know. They really don't travel that hugely to the Pacific NW or the Bay Area. Difference is that none of those schools travel to Exposition. I believe that USC would find much larger visiting crowds coming from LSU, UGA, Florida, Tenn, Alabama schools & Miss schools than they have ever gotten from the PAC schools. My thought is that USC would get more visitors from one home game against any one of the above than they get from all 8 northern Pac schools.
     
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  10. Seattle Husker

    Seattle Husker 10,000+ Posts

    I disagree on the Pac 12 traveling within conference for several of the schools. With that said, 1 trip by LSU fans to South Central LA and they'll never return. In fact, most of those fans loathe CA. No way USC travels a minimum of 2 time zones for every away game for every sport.
     
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  11. ViperHorn

    ViperHorn 10,000+ Posts

    Sources in the athletic community in LA say USC wants out of the PAC-12 in the worse way even if it would mean a season or two as an independent.
     
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  12. SabreHorn

    SabreHorn 10,000+ Posts

    My friends serving on boards and on the USC payroll have been saying the same thing for a couple of decades.
     
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  13. Sangre Naranjada

    Sangre Naranjada Winebibber

    No time like the present.
     
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  14. Giovanni Jones

    Giovanni Jones 1,000+ Posts

    An excellent read, thanks for posting.

    The Coogs are due some Schadenfreude, particularly at Baylor's expense.

    >> After Monday’s Senate committee hearing, Baylor President Linda Livingstone sent out a letter to the Baylor community with her spin on the matter.

    Livingstone said that it is “imperative that Texas maintain its nation-leading five Power 5 schools, not only for athletics purposes, but for the prestige, academic partnerships and financial benefits such status brings to our universities.”

    These are the same people that put UH through a dog and pony show five years ago before deciding not to expand. Baylor was adamantly against UH’s inclusion despite the fact that it would increase Texas’ “nation-leading” number of Power 5 schools. And they were not too concerned that adding UH would bring “prestige, academic partnerships and financial benefits” to another in-state school and the state’s largest city.

    Odd how that’s a priority all of a sudden.

    She also lamented the ‘fact’ that UT heading to the SEC would have “devastating financial implications for Waco, Lubbock, and Fort Worth.” She wrote that “a state institution should not be able to inflict such harm on Texas taxpayers and communities.” Of course, her school led the group that pulled the rug out from under UH, which has certainly meant devastating financial implications for Houston and Harris County.<<


    Enjoy the fall, Baylor. I hope it's a long one.
     
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  15. Duck Dodgers

    Duck Dodgers 1,000+ Posts

    Money, getting away from other CA schools they don’t like, and the fact that the ones making the decision won’t have to sit on small airline seats for 4 hours each way.
     
  16. Duck Dodgers

    Duck Dodgers 1,000+ Posts

    It’s hardly like Baylor is some struggling athletic program. They won the men’s BB NC this past year, their woman’s team did well, and they are just two years from going to the Sugar bowl in football.

    You could make the argument they have a more successful program that Texas does, past 3 years.

    Will not having Texas and OU in the B12 change that? Maybe - will less TV money impact their chance of success? Possibly but with endorsement deals now OK do schools need gold plated facilities to attract player or Will the endorsement deals be key?

    I think the B12 can add some schools like Houston and BYU and Central Florida, and have a good conference. Without hard game of OU and Texas, a decent B12 team has a good shot at going undefeated, and being in playoff contention, as the media loves to whine about schools being left out and how unfair it all is.
     
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  17. Chop

    Chop 5,000+ Posts

    Re: Baylor touting academic partnerships, etc., and making UH prove its worth academically…

    Just speculation, but I’d bet UH does a lot more scientific research than Baylor—a whole lot more. As but one example, Dr Chu did his superconductivity research at UH, not Baylor. Would Baylor even have the infrastructure, labs, staff, computing capacity, etc to support high level scientific research efforts? What do they research over there? Baylor can get off it’s academic high horse.
     
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  18. ViperHorn

    ViperHorn 10,000+ Posts

    After a few calls and text messages, I will add that Oregon isn't as anxious to leave the PAC-12 as USC. However, if USC bolts Oregon could well follow them. That means that Oregon's plan is to not be the first, but follow USC if USC chooses a conference that Oregon "approves." (My take after considering who told me what is Oregon is putting up a "brave face" trying not to be seen as the one who destroys the PAC-12 knowing USC's strong desire to bolt.)
     
  19. Giovanni Jones

    Giovanni Jones 1,000+ Posts

    The problem for Baylor (and also Tech and TCU) is that regardless of how good their teams are, they just don't have the viewership and bring in the $$$ that Texas and OU do.
     
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  20. Clean

    Clean 5,000+ Posts

    USC Moving to the SEC might be workable in football where they'd only have to make 4 or 5 road trips to SEC schools per season, but they have to consider all their low or non-revenue generating sports like women's athletics (volleyball etc.) and how the move would greatly increase their travel expenses and hardships. It doesn't seem feasible to me. Also, I wonder how their arch nemesis UCLA would react?
     
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  21. Seattle Husker

    Seattle Husker 10,000+ Posts

    Additionally, nearly all of USC's alumni are on the West Coast or in major "blue" cities. An estimate I read it that there are 665 USC alums in Louisiana of 437,000 alums, even fewer in Alabama. Not saying that a few well heeled boosters wouldn't salivate over the thought of playing in the SEC but I doubt that perspective is shared widely. What they want is more $$$ and feel the Pac12 is holding them back. It's still not feasible to abandon their deeply beloved annual game with Notre Dame or pay for all their sports teams to travel to South Carolina, Tennessee, Florida, etc.
     
  22. RainH2burntO

    RainH2burntO 2,500+ Posts

    You can read this at multiple outlets. Here's but one...
    Absolutely comical and insane in my view the childish spitballing going on in the legislature. What a bunch of pathetic preschoolers...
    https://www.kansascity.com/sports/spt-columns-blogs/for-petes-sake/article253219148.html

    Real simple retort...
    I guess if we are trash and you guys are so great, you dont need us, these hearings are unnecessary, and I can leave now and get back to some business that matters.
     
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  23. Run Pincher

    Run Pincher 1,000+ Posts

    I've been saying the same thing for a long time and unbelievably something I can actually agree with SH about. It's not 4 hrs to most SEC destinations, it's 6-7, and then add in the flight delays, etc. Just think about what it would be like for baseball, softball, volleyball, etc. Any administration that puts it's student athletes in that predicament is an idiot.

    No way USC heads to the SEC without at least 3 other west coast schools in tow.
     
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  24. Seattle Husker

    Seattle Husker 10,000+ Posts

    Agreed. You'd get sports that would spend weeks in hotels to avoid the back and forth. Imagine putting the South Carolina, Vanderbilt, Florida, GA games back to back to back just to avoid the massive drain of cross country flights.

    If this were to happen expect USC to be a football only member and try to forge independent or Pac 12 schedules for their other sports. None of that sounds tenable.

    Ultimately, what USC wants is more than paltry $25M that Pac 12 is paying out which is less than half of the B1G and may be 1/3rd the SEC based on their leaked projections.
     
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  25. UT Horn Fan

    UT Horn Fan 250+ Posts

    For those in the know, does the growing popularity of streaming (cutting the cord) factor into these discussions? How does it affect viewership ($$$)?
     
  26. moondog_LFZ

    moondog_LFZ 2,500+ Posts

  27. LonghornDave

    LonghornDave 1,000+ Posts

    Agree. USC, Oregon, Washington AND Stanford or UCLA. UCLA will probably get resistance from legislature so I bet Stanford. Ultimately, other sports, baseball and basketball have a playoff system that already works. Football does not.
     
  28. LonghornCatholic

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  29. SabreHorn

    SabreHorn 10,000+ Posts

    Root hog or die
     
  30. Giovanni Jones

    Giovanni Jones 1,000+ Posts

    That's an excellent question, and one I don't have a direct answer for.

    On a related note, however, I predict that within a decade there will be certain college football games that will be available only through a streaming service (think Texas/OU, Florida/Georgia, tOSU/Michigan, the conference championships, the playoffs, etc.) and the streaming services will gradually up their rates, because they can.

    This Olympics, Live on Peacock, Is a Turning Point That Sports Fans Can’t Escape

     

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