The Media Industry

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  1. Garmel

    Garmel 5,000+ Posts

    Let me give you an example, Deez. If I'm a guest on your show talking about election fraud and you write an e-mail to someone saying I'm lying doesn't change anything because 1) It is your opinion. 2) I'm much more knowledgeable about the subject than you are.

    That's the position Powell is in.

    You know they could prove Powell wrong by just opening the machines but they won't. Not saying she's right but to say she's a liar is hogwash. I do believe she's kooky though.

    To back up Powell's belief, Arizona uses Dominion machines. The auditors who were hired said in their report there were 30+ incursions into the machines.
     
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  2. Mr. Deez

    Mr. Deez Beer Prophet

    Maybe, but it's enough to get the case to a jury. And some of the evidence went beyond opinion. For example, Carlson not only said Powell was lying but that he had caught her. That's a statement of fact, not opinion. It is him saying he knows (not just believes) that she is lying. Again, it's going to be enough to get the case in front of a jury.

    I haven't followed it closely, but I doubt he called them liars in the presence of the jury. That would likely be cause for a mistrial and/or reversible error on appeal. I can't speak to the discovery limitations because I'm not aware of them, but since truth is an affirmative defense, he would have a harm time justifying not letting them do pretty significant discovery on whether the claims were true.
     
  3. Garmel

    Garmel 5,000+ Posts

    Yet, it never came out what Tucker said he caught. Once again it very well could be that he thinks he knows something but really doesn't.

    I called you a liar one time a long ago. I thought I caught you and I was wrong. Remember me messaging my apology to you? How many times have you been wrong about somebody in your life and then you had to apologize. Do you understand at what I'm getting at, Deez?

    Here's a further problem with this logic. Suppose I was a commentator with a liberal guest on for their opinion on a subject. Earlier in writing I said that I thought this guy's a liar but I had him on anyway giving him the benefit of the doubt. He then defames a few republicans and in turn the republicans can sue my *** according to this interpretation.

    Sorry, I can't agree with your assessment on this.
     
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  4. Mr. Deez

    Mr. Deez Beer Prophet

    I do understand what you're getting at, but remember what the issue is when it comes to this piece of evidence. They're trying to establish what was in the defendant's mind when he spoke on the air. Did he believe he was telling the truth, or did he believe he was lying?

    Whether he actually was telling the truth or lying has to do with a different element of the case, which is whether the allegedly defamatory statements were true or false.

    No, they can't. Remember, Fox didn't get sued for what Sidney Powell said. They got sued for what they said. If you brought the liberal guest on and let him make his statements, you'd be fine. However, if you concurred with his BS statements and spoke as though they were true, then you might get sued.

    Frankly, I don't know what I would have done had I been a juror on the case, and I haven't studied it sufficiently to form a particularly strong opinion. I'm simply saying how the evidence fits into the key elements of the cause of action and explaining why a jury would at least be permitted to find liability. I'm not necessarily endorsing that liability.
     
  5. Horn6721

    Horn6721 10,000+ Posts

    I haven't followed so am confused.
    So Fox got sued and then settled because Fox employees said off air they didn't believe Powell but on air said they did?
     
  6. Garmel

    Garmel 5,000+ Posts

    Yeah, I've see some mixed action from the attorneys on this. Remarkably, Bill Barr said this was a weak case.
     
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  7. Garmel

    Garmel 5,000+ Posts

    It's so complicated so it's hard for me to put it in a nutshell.
     
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  8. Horn6721

    Horn6721 10,000+ Posts

    Garm
    got it
     
  9. ViperHorn

    ViperHorn 10,000+ Posts

    Preference is there be one included because it stops issues down the line. Let the other side amend it or toss it. That puts them on record of striking so when their client starts screaming about something being released you can shut them up by telling them their counsel tossed the clause. Client on counsel fight does nothing but divert their attention from the matters at can't.
     
  10. Mr. Deez

    Mr. Deez Beer Prophet

    I understand the merits of NDAs. I've advocated both for and against them. (One reason I usually advocated against them on the plaintiff's side is that they make an ambiguous portion of the settlement taxable.) My point is that if the parties don't or can't agree to have one, that isn't usually the product of legal malpractice. It's a matter of the parties not finding agreement on one.
     
  11. ViperHorn

    ViperHorn 10,000+ Posts

    I agree with the theory. I just want it in on the go-in and force the other guy to be on record of not wanting it.
     
  12. Mr. Deez

    Mr. Deez Beer Prophet

    I get that. Having said that, in most cases I handled, a NDA was never requested. When it was asked for, it was usually by an employer paying a settlement to an employee for a work-related injury outside the workers compensation system. I didn't resist them much, so long as 1. the NDA was mutual and that the mutual promises of non-disclosure were the sole consideration for each other or 2. the NDA should specify how much of the settlement was consideration for non-disclosure. Of course, I advised the client that this could lead to income tax liability for that portion of the settlement, though I never heard of a client actually getting a 1099 for it.
     
  13. ViperHorn

    ViperHorn 10,000+ Posts

    We probably deal with different issues.
     
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  14. Mr. Deez

    Mr. Deez Beer Prophet

    Tucker Carlson is leaving Fox News. In fact, he's apparently gone. He has done his last show. Very strange.

     
  15. Garmel

    Garmel 5,000+ Posts

    My guess would be he's going to Newsmax.
     
  16. theiioftx

    theiioftx Sponsor Deputy

    Other than Tucker, Fox is unwatchable.
     
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  17. Horn2RunAgain

    Horn2RunAgain 2,500+ Posts

    Hope so.

    Fox ratings just took a hit for sure
     
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  18. mchammer

    mchammer 10,000+ Posts

    Don Lemon is gone too.
     
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  19. Mr. Deez

    Mr. Deez Beer Prophet

    Couldn't find a more deserving guy to get canned.
     
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  20. Garmel

    Garmel 5,000+ Posts

    Carlson's replacement has been announced.

    [​IMG]
     
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  21. Horn6721

    Horn6721 10,000+ Posts

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  22. guy4321

    guy4321 2,500+ Posts

    Fox News will probably hire him to fill the Tucker gap! LOL
     
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  23. theiioftx

    theiioftx Sponsor Deputy

    Lemon is gay, a racist and totally incompetent. He will likely be joining the Biden administration.
     
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  24. Garmel

    Garmel 5,000+ Posts

    The sad part is you might be right.
     
  25. horninchicago

    horninchicago 10,000+ Posts

    You mean being reassigned within the Biden administration, right?
     
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  26. mchammer

    mchammer 10,000+ Posts

  27. Mr. Deez

    Mr. Deez Beer Prophet

    Lol.

     
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  28. Garmel

    Garmel 5,000+ Posts

  29. guy4321

    guy4321 2,500+ Posts

    Did Playboy get rid of nudes? Guess I'll have to check for research purposes only. But like you said elsewhere, Fox News survived O'Reilly leaving.
     
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  30. Horn6721

    Horn6721 10,000+ Posts

    Bill O'Reilly was fired because of sexual harassment charges.
    I don't remember there being many who questioned it
    This firing of Tucker is in a totally different climate .
     
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