The Media Industry

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  1. Joe Fan

    Joe Fan 10,000+ Posts

    One of the lawsuits involving Andrea Tartanos (ex of Fox News)
    has been unsealed

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    Last edited: Aug 9, 2017
  2. Mr. Deez

    Mr. Deez 5,000+ Posts

    Why is Tantaros a defendant in the suit?
     
  3. Joe Fan

    Joe Fan 10,000+ Posts

    This was a separate action from her suit against Fox & Ailes
     
  4. UTChE96

    UTChE96 1,000+ Posts

    I miss Andrea. I don't remember much of what she said but she sure looked good saying it.

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  5. Mr. Deez

    Mr. Deez 5,000+ Posts

    I don't agree with everything in his memo, but I think you're being a bit unfair to the guy. Sure, he's young, but that has nothing to do with the merits of his argument. And did he look for citations that supported his beliefs? I'm sure he did. Who doesn't do that? Let's keep in mind that the people who assert that actual sex discrimination is a major problem point to one statistic (the "78 cents on the dollar" stat) and draw wildly speculative conclusions about it. Do you think they reached their position because they found that stat, or did they find that stat because it reinforced their predetermined position?

    Also, it's true that he stereotypes, but that's somewhat of a politically loaded term that connotes some sort of prejudicial malice, which isn't at all present in his memo. A more accurate description (in light of connotations) of what he's doing is generalizing. If we're talking about group characteristics, what else is he supposed to do? You can't really talk about any group without generalizing, because not everybody is the same.

    Contrary to how you put it, he's not treating any of it as an "absolute" either. He's readily acknowledging the presence of substantial overlap between men and women. You dismiss that as protecting his backside, but it's a very key factor and makes a very big difference in his argument. (In other words, though it may protect his backside, I don't think it's the only reason he's making that point.) I think he would readily acknowledge the presence of large numbers of anecdotes that go against the generalizations (as you do in your final paragraph).

    I also think it's noteworthy that the guy's tone is very measured and even admits his own biases. He doesn't claim perfection or moral superiority. How many who debate these issues in the other direction are anywhere near that diplomatic? Very few. For the most part, they argue with obscene levels of righteous indignation and freak out if someone has the audacity to call them into question.

    Finally, contrary to the general portrayal of this guy as a big sexist, he makes suggestions that are geared toward making the company more welcoming of women and accommodating the differences between men and women. Isn't that a good thing?
     
  6. Musburger1

    Musburger1 1,000+ Posts

    Bought Journalists (The Free Press)

    The English translation of German journalist Udo Ulfkotte’s best-selling book, Gekaufte Journalisten (Bought Journalists) appears to have been suppressed throughout North America and Europe. On May 15, 2017 Next Revelation Press, an imprint of US-Canadian-based publisher Tayen Lane, released the English version of Bought Journalists, under the title, Journalists for Hire: How the CIA Buys the News.

    Tayen Lane has since removed any reference to the title from its website. Correspondingly Amazon.com indicates the title is “currently unavailable,” with opportunities to purchase from independent sellers offering used copies for no less than $1309.09. The book’s subject matter and unexplained disappearance from the marketplace suggest how powerful forces are seeking to prevent its circulation.

    Gekaufte Journalisten was almost completely ignored by mainstream German news media following its release in 2014. “No German mainstream journalist is allowed to report about [my] book,” Ulfkotte observed. “Otherwise he or she will be sacked. So we have a bestseller now that no German journalist is allowed to write or talk about.”{1]

    Along these lines, publication of the English translation was repeatedly delayed. When this author contacted Ulfkotte in early December 2015 to inquire on the book’s pending translation, he responded, “Please find the link to the English edition here,”

    http://www.tayenlane.com/bought-journalists

    The above address once providing the book’s description and anticipated publication date now leads to an empty page.[2] Tayen Lane has not responded to emails or telephone calls requesting an explanation for the title’s disappearance.

    When a book publisher determines that it has acquired a politically volatile or otherwise “troublesome” title it may embark on a process recognized in the industry as “privishing.” “Privishing is a portmanteau meaning to privately publish, as opposed to true publishing that is open to the public,” writes investigative journalist Gerald Colby.

    It is usually employed in the following context: “We privished the book so that it sank without a trace.” The mechanism used is simple: cut off the book’s life-support system by reducing the initial print run so that the book “cannot price profitably according to any conceivable formula,” refuse to do reprints, drastically slash the book’s advertising budget, and all but cancel the promotional tour.”[3]

    Privishing often takes place without the author knowing, simply because it involves breach of contract and potential liability. Tayen Lane will likely not face any legal challenge in this instance, however. Ulfkotte died of a heart attack on January 13, 2017, at age 56.[4]

    Udo Ulfkotte was a prominent European journalist, social scientist, and immigration reform activist. Upon writing Gekaufte Journalisten and becoming one of the most significant media industry and deep state whistleblowers in recent history, Ulfkotte complained of repeated home searches by German state police and expressed fear for his own life. He also admitted previous health complications stemming from witnessing a 1988 poisoned gas attack in Iraqi Kurdistan.

    Ulfkotte’s testimony of how intelligence agencies figure centrally in Western journalism is especially compelling because he for many years functioned in the higher echelons of mainstream newsworkers. The German journalist explains how he was recruited during the 1980s to work in espionage. This began through an invitation proffered by his graduate school advisor for an all-expense-paid trip to attend a two-week seminar on the Cold War conflict in Bonn.

    After Ulfkotte obtained his doctorate he was given a job as a reporter at “the leading conservative German newspaper, the Frankfurter Allgemeine Zeitung, oddly appointed despite no journalistic training and hundreds of other applicants. Serving as a correspondent throughout the Middle East, Ulfkotte eventually became acquainted with agents from the CIA, German intelligence agency Bundesnachrichtendienst (BND), Britain’s MI6, and Israel’s Mossad, all of whom valued his ability to travel freely in countries largely closed to the West. His editors readily collaborated in such intelligence gathering operations,”[5] for which journalist possess “non-official cover” by virtue of their profession.

    “Non-official cover” occurs when a journalist is essentially working for the CIA, but it’s not in an official capacity,” Ulfkotte explains. “This allows both parties to reap the rewards of the partnership, while at the same time giving both sides plausible deniability. The CIA will find young journalists and mentor them. Suddenly doors will open up, rewards will be given, and before you know it, you owe your entire career to them. That’s essentially how it works.”[6] He likewise ruefully admits to “publishing articles under my own name written by agents of the CIA and other intelligence services, especially the German secret service.”[7]

    Ulfkotte’s insider knowledge of the relationship between mainstream media and the intelligence community has special relevance in terms of informing the CIA’s antipathy toward Wikileaks, as well as the media campaign centering on the Trump administration’s alleged “ties to Russia,” while also lending credence to Trump’s frequent claims of the US media’s political biases and deep state ties. Indeed, Ulfkotte “Tweeted” about these very subjects just two days before he passed.
    Ulfkotte’s explosive revelations still have the potential to further intensify the much-deserved scrutiny corporate news media presently face. In a society that pays more than lip service to freedom of thought and expression Journalists for Hire would be required reading for college students—and particularly those studying in journalism programs intending to seek employment in the media industries.

    In fact, journalism professors, some of whom have migrated to the academy following long careers at renowned news outlets, possess similar insider knowledge of the relationships Ulfkotte readily explains. As both journalists and educators they have a twofold burden of responsibility. This is the case more so than ever because the entire professional and intellectual enterprise they are engaged in (and one directly linked to the nation’s accelerating civic deterioration) has been made a farce. Journalists for Hire’s suppression suggests how Ulfkotte’s posthumous censors refuse for this important examination and cleansing to proceed.
     
  7. Musburger1

    Musburger1 1,000+ Posts

  8. Mr. Deez

    Mr. Deez 5,000+ Posts

    The reason why I don't believe this guy is that if what he was saying were true, then you wouldn't see much anti-American commentary in German media sources. Everybody would pitch the American line, and anybody who lives here knows that's nonsense. Overall, the German media varies somewhat based on who's in the White House. If a Republican is in the White House, they're hostile, and of course, they're downright hateful of Trump. If a Democrat is in the White House, they are skeptically friendly but even a Democrat isn't given a lot of deference - not like they get from US media outlets.

    Of course, being skeptical of the US doesn't mean being favorable to Putin, and of course, that's what Putin and this guy who's stooging for him on Putin's propaganda channel is hoping for. German media doesn't like Putin either, but he gets a MUCH fairer shake from the German media than Trump will ever get, and it's not even close.
     
  9. Joe Fan

    Joe Fan 10,000+ Posts

  10. Seattle Husker

    Seattle Husker 5,000+ Posts

    What are the chances the author of the book has extreme credibility problems and the publishers are trying to stem lawsuits? Occam's Razor.
     
  11. Musburger1

    Musburger1 1,000+ Posts

    Read up on Project Mockingbird. It never ceased.
     
  12. mchammer

    mchammer 2,500+ Posts



    Deezer, I thought you said this was going nowhere.
     
  13. Joe Fan

    Joe Fan 10,000+ Posts

    So Tantaros wrote a book called “Tied Up in Knots”
    It says its about "how feminism failed the successful pundit, and women in general."
    And guess what?

    Can you guess already?

    A guy actually wrote it. Or, that's what he says
    This is what came out of the unsealed court records from that case I cited above^^^
    The plaintiff, Michael Krechmer/Malice, says he is the real author

    The judge on why he unsealed --

    “Defendant argues that, as a well-known television journalist, her credibility is her trade, and if plaintiffs role in helping defendant write the book was revealed it would severely undermine her credibility in the eyes of her colleagues, fans, publisher, and the wider news-media world .... The court disagrees. A possibility of future adverse impact on employment or the celebrity status of a party is not a ‘higher value’ sufficient to overcome the presumption of access to judicial documents.”
    https://www.courthousenews.com/fox-pundits-anti-feminist-book-haunted-male-specter/
     
  14. Joe Fan

    Joe Fan 10,000+ Posts

    Apparently these have popped up all over the Santa Monica area

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  15. Seattle Husker

    Seattle Husker 5,000+ Posts



    Quick, someone reach out to Hannity. He's clearly suffering from amnesia if he doesn't remember the Ken Starr investigation, the multiple Benghazi investigations and HRC's email usage investigation. When you spout nonsense you deserve to be called out.
     
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  16. Seattle Husker

    Seattle Husker 5,000+ Posts

    The alt-righters may be ideologically vapid but they make the best memes.
     
  17. Joe Fan

    Joe Fan 10,000+ Posts

    Update -- These were all in front of Google's office.

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  18. Joe Fan

    Joe Fan 10,000+ Posts

  19. Seattle Husker

    Seattle Husker 5,000+ Posts

     
  20. mchammer

    mchammer 2,500+ Posts

    Which office? No palm trees in Mountain Valley
     
  21. Joe Fan

    Joe Fan 10,000+ Posts


    From above
     
  22. Mr. Deez

    Mr. Deez 5,000+ Posts

    "[T]he plain language of Rule 56(c) mandates the entry of summary judgment, after adequate time for discovery and upon motion, against a party who fails to make a showing sufficient to establish the existence of an element essential to that party’s case, and on which that party will bear the burden of proof at trial." See Celotex Corp. v. Catrett, 477 U.S. 317, 322 (1986).

    If that isn't self-explanatory, a court can't dismiss a case for lack of evidence without allowing the plaintiff to conduct discovery, which would include depositions of key witnesses. Just because a court allows a deposition doesn't mean the lawsuit is going anywhere.
     
  23. Mr. Deez

    Mr. Deez 5,000+ Posts

  24. Mr. Deez

    Mr. Deez 5,000+ Posts

    It's a little hard to tell why there'd by two rulings because the article isn't entirely specific. However, it looks like one of the rulings was to remand the case back to state court. However, that is a jurisdictional ruling, and once issued, the court loses its authority to rule in any other issue in the case. To be fair, though remand is procedural, it's a significant victory for the plaintiff because state courts are considered to be more favorable to plaintiffs than federal court. That's especially going to be true when we're talking about a coal company plaintiff getting to sue an obnoxiously liberal out of state corporate defendant in a West Virginia state court. A guy like John Oliver is going to go over like a fart in a car in a West Virginia state court.
     
  25. Joe Fan

    Joe Fan 10,000+ Posts

    I've lost track of which case is being discussed but nonetheless feel comfortable adding this generalization (based on experience) -- reporters covering cases usually have no idea what they are looking at or listening to. Nor do they have the time to sit there long enough to figure it out even if they did the background and education. For this reason, news accounts of ongoing trials cannot be trusted as accurate
     
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  26. Mr. Deez

    Mr. Deez 5,000+ Posts

    Very true. They're terrible.
     
  27. Joe Fan

    Joe Fan 10,000+ Posts


    They are at Mountain View today

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  28. Joe Fan

    Joe Fan 10,000+ Posts

  29. Joe Fan

    Joe Fan 10,000+ Posts

    Good timing for the NYT's Commie nostalgia


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  30. Seattle Husker

    Seattle Husker 5,000+ Posts

    Will they be bringing their tiki torches along?
     

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