The new gun law

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  1. Uninformed

    Uninformed 5,000+ Posts

    Looks like the registration law will pass. The concern many people have is of the mentally ill obtaining a gun and going on a killing rampage. Do you all think it is a good idea for the government to cross-check medical records to prevent the mentally ill from obtaining guns?






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    Inside the NY SAFE Act — New York’s new gun law — is a provision apparently mandating confiscation of weapons and permits if someone has been prescribed psychotropic drugs."
    "Some claim that a broad interpretation of this statement from HIPAA might allow the government to have instant access to the medical records and gun ownership records of anyone who is prescribed psychotropic drugs.

    The goal of HIPAA is to assure that individuals’ health information is properly protected while allowing the flow of health information needed to provide and promote high quality health care and to protect the public’s health and well being." The reporting requirement extends to “mental health professionals,” defined in the law as four professions – physicians (including psychiatrists), psychologists, registered nurses, or licensed clinical social workers."
     
  2. dillohorn

    dillohorn Guest

    after the knife incident in Houston yesterday they'll try to register knives.
     
  3. huisache

    huisache 2,500+ Posts

    When Earl Warren was chief justice, the rights of citizens were protected and their right to be left alone was expanded. Ever since that psycho Nixon started stacking the court with big government fans it has been downhill, whether the appointees are dems or gop
     
  4. dalhorn1

    dalhorn1 1,000+ Posts

    I think we should add welfare recipients and obese citizens to the ban list. And the Irish.

    Now for a serious question- when does a national gun registry make it's way to the books? It's surely not a matter of 'if' any longer. The liberal machine is just getting warmed up.
     
  5. NEWDOC2002

    NEWDOC2002 1,000+ Posts


     
  6. Crockett

    Crockett 5,000+ Posts

    So would it cover anti-depressants like Zoloft and Prozac? Wow that would cover a lot of pretty normal folks who actually may need guns for self-protection. We're all at some point along the mental health continuem and frankly a lot of people getting help are more together than a lot of people who aren't.
     
  7. zork

    zork 2,500+ Posts

    While we are at it, maybe only non-citizens should be able to buy guns as well.
     
  8. Crockett

    Crockett 5,000+ Posts

    To a layman typically disinterested in gun laws so long as I can have a shotgun, a deer rifle and target practice .22, what is so important to the gun show loophole?

    To me it looks like such an easy route to circumvent background checks renders background checks impotent. But I know there must be more to the story, Could someone fill me in on why it's so important to have easy transfer of guns with no background checks? I'm not a gun-hating moron but I do think the "arm everybody and justice will win out" philosophy is deficient in that typically unstable people are more prone to violence and better at it than the people I have lunch with after church. Respectful answers please -- like you are talking to a reasonably intelligent person who wants to understand.
     
  9. CanaTigers

    CanaTigers 2,500+ Posts

    It would be more effective and simpler to just put everyone that shouldn't have a gun into a "No Buy" database. This keeps crazy people and criminals from purchasing guns legally but lets everyone else purchase them without any type of registration.
     
  10. theiioftx

    theiioftx Sponsor Deputy

    I think the percentage of Americans taking antidepressants alone is like 14%, not to mention other related drugs. An employee assistance company executive once told me the average employer work force will have more than 50% on mind altering medications prescribed by a physician often not a mental illness professional.

    As for national lists, I was once on the TSA terrorist list as we're many airlines executives. It was obviously a mistake, but it was impossible to remove. No thanks on the list idea.
     
  11. theiioftx

    theiioftx Sponsor Deputy

    I think the percentage of Americans taking antidepressants alone is like 14%, not to mention other related drugs. An employee assistance company executive once told me the average employer work force will have more than 50% on mind altering medications prescribed by a physician often not a mental illness professional.

    As for national lists, I was once on the TSA potential terrorist list as were many airlines executives. It was obviously a mistake, but it was impossible to remove. No thanks on the list idea.
     
  12. Horn6721

    Horn6721 10,000+ Posts

    I amy be wrong but I thought that all 'vendors" at gun shows DIDdo background checks on purhasers made at a gun show.

    I thought the issue was with private gun owners making a sale to anothre private fun owner at the show

    I have heard BO say the ' gun show loophole" represents 40% of sales.
    It is not actually a gun show loophole since private owners selling to private buyers ANYWHERE are not required to do background checks.
    and How would anyone know it is 40%?


    Now if someone wants to bring a bill requiring private sellers to do background checks that should be considered,
    But call it what it is
     
  13. AustinBoston

    AustinBoston 25+ Posts

    My understanding of the law is that anyone with a Federal Firearms License must conduct background checks prior to sale. Texas does not have a law requiring background checks for sales at gun shows. However, I think if one has a Federal Firearms License, any sale requires a background check even if the sale occurs at a gun show.

    If anyone has info to the contrary, please post.
     
  14. Uninformed

    Uninformed 5,000+ Posts

    Crockett.

    A 65 yr. old jewish ex-army dentist who is a friend of mine, considers gov't tyranny to be a major issue. He had plenty of relatives die in Auschwitz and Belzec. He knows some jews fought back and were fairly successful in places like Warsaw. He also knows that the 2nd amendment was put into place in major part to provide a balance to gov't tyranny. In fact, the Republic was set up in such a manner to limit the power of federal gov't.

    Historically, totalitarian regimes have passed gun control legislation, which was later followed by confiscation, with Fascist Italy and Nazi Germany during World War II (as well as some communist states) being well known examples. From my friend's perspective, he feels that registering guns allows the federal gov't to confiscate guns. He does not want this. He feels that guns are a necessity for him and his family to be able to protect itself.
     
  15. dheiman

    dheiman 1,000+ Posts


     
  16. Mr. Fiesta

    Mr. Fiesta 1,000+ Posts


     
  17. dheiman

    dheiman 1,000+ Posts


     
  18. theiioftx

    theiioftx Sponsor Deputy

    I did not even think about if someone has ever taken psychotropics. Well, that would basically mean nobody could own a gun. Got to give Obama props, he knows ways of achieving single payor and gun control right past the below average IQ voters.
     
  19. Mr. Deez

    Mr. Deez Beer Prophet


     
  20. Vol Horn 4 Life

    Vol Horn 4 Life 5,000+ Posts

    Most politicians dont even know what they are voting on much less think about it. They just react.
     
  21. msdw24

    msdw24 1,000+ Posts

    It will be a cold day in hell when I ever register my firearms.
     

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