The PAC 12 (and the B1G) Weigh In

Discussion in 'On The Field' started by Chop, Jul 25, 2021.

  1. Gladius&Pilum

    Gladius&Pilum 100+ Posts

    Just as they would be stoopid to declare their intent to poach schools and open themselves up to a tortious interference claim.
     
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  2. RainH2burntO

    RainH2burntO 2,500+ Posts

    Now you got me thinking ....would have been fun to see him lead the Longhorn program through 2020 and into '21. Lol
     
  3. Chop

    Chop 10,000+ Posts

    The PAC 12 commissioner has now told the Mercury News that the conference is going to decide on expansion in a couple of weeks, but only whether or not to expand—not on which schools to add (in the event the decision is made to expand). Just an expand/don’t expand decision. A 3/4 vote would be required to approve a formal invitation to any particular school (and that’s only if, and after, the PAC votes to expand in a few weeks). “Multiple industry sources…” are saying there will be no expansion—not enough value added. Most people talking about this are saying basically the same thing—expansion at this point is unlikely. In particular, don’t look for any Big 12 schools to get an invite. John Kurtz put this out there.

    The big lingering problem out West: USC reportedly remains highly unsatisfied with the status quo. The Trojans remain a danger to possibly bolt if they don’t get their way. And USC is the flagship program out there. It wouldn’t be the PAC-whatever without USC.
     
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  4. LonghornDave

    LonghornDave 1,000+ Posts

    USC and maybe Oregon, maybe Washington. maybe UCLA (state school) so maybe Stanford. A pod for SEC done.
     
  5. huisache

    huisache 2,500+ Posts

    Tech and OSU are up. Recruiting in Texas and games earlier in the day

    Tech will be in the eastern region with the Cowboys and the Arizona’s and Colorado and Utah and to be determined
     
  6. Seattle Husker

    Seattle Husker 10,000+ Posts

    Based on my contacts within UW, nobody believes there is any chance that USC goes anywhere. Joining a conference back East simply isn't feasible when they'd travel 3 times zones for the majority of their games. USC is stuck with the Pac 12 unless they want to go Independent. BYU's attempt to go independent is weighing heavily on any private school with dreams of independent bliss. After all, there is only 1 ND and they discovered that outside of football the need a conference for the rest of their sports.

    Not sure anyone is beating down USC's door for a football TV deal absent any other teams coming with them.
     
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  7. LonghornDave

    LonghornDave 1,000+ Posts

    I think USC could convince Oregon and Washington to create a "pod". The question is Stanford or UCLA. Adding a BIG agreement does nothing financially. No one will vote to add Lubbock, adds nothing.
     
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  8. Chop

    Chop 10,000+ Posts

    Re: USC not being able to go East or independent. To me, USC and PAC 10 (or 12 or whatever) are synonymous. But don’t kid yourself, USC is one of the giants in the college football world. They would be just fine in any conference or no conference at all. I also understand those people have a lot of money $$$$$.
     
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  9. Seattle Husker

    Seattle Husker 10,000+ Posts

    I'd agree that any USC movement comes with other Pac 12 powers. It has to. That means USC has to pull them along and they historically don't always see eye to eye (think UTx - Nebraska). USC has a crapload of money and well healed alumni and hanger's on (eg. celebrities that simply adopted USC...like Snoop Dog). Still, the administrative costs and burden of being the only school in an Eastern Conference is too much to bear. ESPN taking a bath on the Longhorn Network would also heavily weigh on any attempts for USC to go Independent. They'd have to rely on some subscription revenue and likely not via cable networks but rather one of the new online providers (Hulu, Youtube, etc).

    This latest "agreement" from each of the conferences is simply a shot across the bow that tells the SEC that they now have resistance to them dictating the rules (NCAA, Championships, etc.). It could have an impact when the current scheduling obligations dissipate so 10-15 years out? The SEC would abandon the NCAA but that has potential to HURT it's revenue as much as help it. Look no further than the experience of the EU soccer league to see how fans think of moves like that. Even fans included in that Super League idea revolted. Consider that UT would never play TTech, Baylor or any Texas school except ATM if it were not part of the NCAA. No March Madness. The SEC would get the blame for torching college athletics. The harm to their brand would be immeasurable which is why the alliance between the ACC, B1G and P12 might be an effective warning shot.
     
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  10. Seattle Husker

    Seattle Husker 10,000+ Posts

    It's a premium brand but the era of huge network payouts for a single football team is waning. Cable Networks are taking a bath in subscriber loss. The Longhorn Network while benefitting UT may be one the of the single worst decisions by ESPN in a history of poor decisions. USC certainly knows this thus stepping out of the P12 right now would be an immense gamble.
     
  11. LonghornDave

    LonghornDave 1,000+ Posts

    Agreed and USC is big time. Oregon has NIKE, Washington has good but not great fans. California is a sheet show in general so UCLA could just mess it up. Too bad because I love the Rose Bowl. I like Colorado but I suspect they will move to the BIG and build on the Husker Big ten curse. I still think realignment will continue this year and the only thing that seems to make sense is moves from ACC and Pac to Big and SEC. I think the "alliance" will just poke the tiger and hasten the SEC moves.
     
  12. Seattle Husker

    Seattle Husker 10,000+ Posts

    The effectiveness of the "alliance" is and will continue to be holding the heavyweights inside the tent (OSU, MI, Clemson, FSU, USC, etc.). If any jump to the SEC then they've lost.
     
  13. Chop

    Chop 10,000+ Posts

    I think the B1G has the most power and influence of any of them, not much behind the SEC--pretty darn close, and with a truly massive population base. Keep aOSU and Michigan in the fold, and they'll be fine whatever else happens. The B1G will also strongly resist being pushed around, and dictated to, by Southerners. Those who have lived up North know their general attitude towards, and pre-conceived notions of, persons and institutions from South of the Mason-Dixon line.
     
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  14. BevoJoe

    BevoJoe 10,000+ Posts

    Being out here in PAC 12 Country and having seen a few games at UofA, the football is subpar except for USC. Hell, UofA lost every game in the shortened 2020 season including a 70-7 woodshed beating by ASU. They only won four games in 2019, losing 8 including 7 straight losses to end the season. The point is, the teams not called USC are not good or anywhere being good. USC is most likely the only competitive team in football in the whole conference. Putting in programs like Texas Tech, Kansas, Baylor or KSU won't move the needle much. TCU might give them some competition as might oSu. But that's about it. My thought is that ISU heads to the B1G, but that is a "maybe" and not a statement of fact.
     
  15. nashhorn

    nashhorn 5,000+ Posts

    No worries, NIL will ruin college football, maybe all college sports, well before they can do it with reorganizing mess ups.
     
  16. Chop

    Chop 10,000+ Posts

    Dave Wannstedt has now prognosticated the following:

    OSU and K State to the PAC
    KU and ISU to the B1G
    WV to the ACC

    I think he’s wet. Why would the PAC want K State over some Texas teams like Texas Tech and TCU? Think recruiting and TV sets. USC could demand their game at Tech be played in Arlington. I can, however, see WV to the ACC.
     
  17. SabreHorn

    SabreHorn 10,000+ Posts

    There is supposed to be an alliance with TCU, Tech, Baylor, oSu to try to negotiate and protect one another.
     
  18. Seattle Husker

    Seattle Husker 10,000+ Posts

    I think Dave is talking out of the wrong end. KSU to the PAC12?
     
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  19. Sangre Naranjada

    Sangre Naranjada 10,000+ Posts

    How did Baylor worm their way into that alliance?
     
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  20. Gladius&Pilum

    Gladius&Pilum 100+ Posts

    I guess the others forgot to take their Ivermectin.
     
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  21. Giovanni Jones

    Giovanni Jones 2,500+ Posts

    I think that the supposed alliance of the B1G, ACC, and PAC12 should call itself the Nouveau Triple Entente. Because it would sound cosmopolitan and tres chic.

    Anyway -
    The New College Football “Alliance” Is Not One

     
  22. Chop

    Chop 10,000+ Posts

    It could be just the start of a self-defense gentlemens' agreement (of sorts) against a complete SEC takeover of major college football. That's what they fear--the SEC poaching their top teams and leaving their conferences in the dust. (like they just did to the Big XII)

    Clemson, aOSU, and USC to their respective conferences: "New rules--when our representative enters the room, all shall rise. He'll also seat at the head of the table, with the conference commissioner next to him in a short little kiddie chair. We will also get a double share of the conference tv and bowl revenue, etc. All of our games shall be at the time of our choosing, and we reserve the right to demand away games be played at a nearby major/pro stadium. Our alumni get all the luxury boxes at your stadium when we play away. Our band shall be located immediately behind your team's bench. What's that--you don't like it? I have the SEC commissioner on the other line..."
     
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  23. Seattle Husker

    Seattle Husker 10,000+ Posts


    To me, the rubber meets the road the next time the SEC urges rule changes at the NCAA or college football playoff. After that I'll be very curious how the scheduling angle plays out. Do those 3 conferences freeze out the SEC reducing their exposure into other parts of the country? We already know the SEC rarely plays other Power 5 conference teams but will it be more apparent, more impactful? What about TV contract negotiations? The remaining 3 can't touch the SEC Network but ABC/FOX/CBS/NBC and ESPN would fair game.
     
  24. LonghornCatholic

    LonghornCatholic Deo Gratias

     
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  25. Seattle Husker

    Seattle Husker 10,000+ Posts

    Heard the Pac12 announced they will not be expanding.

    Cue Monty Python "Bring out yer dead" memes for the Irate 8.
     
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    Last edited: Aug 27, 2021
  26. Seattle Husker

    Seattle Husker 10,000+ Posts

    Reading up more on the Pac 12 announcement there are some cogent points emerging. If the Pac 12 was going to announce expansion why do it now? The B12 still exists until 2025 so wouldn't that announcement come in 2022 or 2023? They'd likely just announce that they were adding X schools, like the SEC just did with UT/OU.
     
  27. n64ra

    n64ra 1,000+ Posts

    Same reason Texas and OU announced it now - don't want to give the Big 12 one's 2025 media rights in 2021.
     
  28. ViperHorn

    ViperHorn 10,000+ Posts

    Just sit tight as there are more moves coming over the next 18 to 24 months. USC moving on from the PAC-12 and ND joining the ACC will be the key to the timing.
     
  29. Seattle Husker

    Seattle Husker 10,000+ Posts

    Joining the B1G is expensive for any new members. New schools need to purchase an equal share of the B1G network which for Nebraska was >$40M back in 2010. That amount was taken from reduced B1G payouts over 6 years. They received ~60% of what other teams in the B1G received from 2010-2016. Of course, those reduced payouts still exceeded the full B12 payouts.

    In 2010 the B1G was only paying out ~$20M per team. In 2019-20 year they paid $56M. The buy-in now must be approaching $100M.
     
  30. ViperHorn

    ViperHorn 10,000+ Posts

    What about a Super League (outside of the NCAA) the winner of which is crowned National Champions:

    East Conference
    ---------------
    East Division
    ----------------
    Georgia
    Florida
    Sons of Klem
    Free Shoe U

    West Division
    ----------------
    ND
    Alabama
    aOSU
    Meatchicken

    West Conference
    ---------------------
    East Division
    ----------------
    Texas
    ou
    LSU
    Iowa State

    West Division
    -----------------
    USC
    Stanford
    Oregon
    Washington

    Those current Power 5 schools not making the cut above play within the NCAA and are crowned NCAA National Champions (better known as the "Best of the Rest").
     

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