I get your point, but comparing us to a program with a 22 year old system and culture is plain stupid. Geno was 12-15 his first year, 14-13 his second year and 17-11 his third year. His first good year was year 4. They lost 11 games in year seven....dang he sucks! They should have fired him then...... I hate the "youth excuse", but it can be a reason for poor performance. What I look for is improvement and despite this year's W/L record I see improvement. Football has used the "youth excuse" for the last decade as they continued to get worse. Strong just went downhill every year so it was an excuse. Be as b*tchy and negative as you want, but as your example clearly pointed out it takes a couple years to work things out. If they win less than 15 next year making all the same mistakes again I'll be in your court.