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Discussion in 'West Mall' started by snek, Jun 17, 2015.

  1. I35

    I35 5,000+ Posts

    You are crazy if you think Obama had nothing to do with that. He directly tells Lynch what to do. She and Comey had a great reputation as being honest and very respected. Amazing how they change once they are with Obama. Oh and Obama took Hillary on a trip to campaign the very day that Comey came out with his findings. Do you really think Obama would be with her if he thought there was a chance that Comey would recommend prosecution? Also Hillary did things 100x's worse that any of the guys you mentioned. They did get off light but Hillary got off completely and is running for the highest office in the world. She ought to be in Prison.
     
  2. Seattle Husker

    Seattle Husker 10,000+ Posts

    I'm not an HRC fan but you need to step out of that echo chamber for some fresh air if you believe that. You might want to start with the facts we know rather than the conspiracy theory you believe.
     
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  3. I35

    I35 5,000+ Posts

    Seriously SH? Patreus gave info to one woman he was fooling around with. Hillary got hacked (there's no doubt about that) by the whole world. Does it not scare you any at all that if she becomes Presidents that there will be a line of leaders from other countries waiting to black mail her on all the info they gathered? And Hillary of all people will not stand up to black mailers because she is corrupt. She will give them anything they want to protect her secrets. Even at the expense that it will hurt America. Hillary only cares about Hillary and will continue to be corrupt while in the White House to protect herself.
     
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  4. Mr. Deez

    Mr. Deez Beer Prophet

    A live look at the Trump Train.FB_IMG_1470315926558.jpg
     
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  5. Phil Elliott

    Phil Elliott 2,500+ Posts

    Yeah yeah yeah. You say that every week.
     
  6. Seattle Husker

    Seattle Husker 10,000+ Posts

    I'm not sure how to address that. FBI Director James Comey testified that there is no evidence that HRC's private server was hacked. He says it's possible but they weren't able to find any evidence of that. Everything after that is pure supposition. In the conservative conspiracy theories HRC is powerful enough to twist American justice to her advantage but will cower to the rest of the world. Not sure how that is reconcilable.
     
  7. OrngNugz

    OrngNugz 500+ Posts

  8. Seattle Husker

    Seattle Husker 10,000+ Posts

    Yesterday Trump floated Ivanka's name in a question of what females he might add to his cabinet. She was very impressive in her speech at the RNC. Much more effective than Trump I thought. A speech does not make one qualified to be a Sr. level government administrator. Is it amateur hour?
     
  9. mchammer

    mchammer 10,000+ Posts

    You mean like Obama in 2004?
     
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  10. Mr. Deez

    Mr. Deez Beer Prophet

    He's also talked about putting Sarah Palin in his cabinet. Ivanka would definitely be an improvement over her.
     
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  11. MudHorn

    MudHorn Admin Moderator

    Incompetence Code Red confirmed.
     
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  12. Seattle Husker

    Seattle Husker 10,000+ Posts

    Huh? You'll need to clarify that comment if you're expecting a response.
     
  13. mchammer

    mchammer 10,000+ Posts

    A speech does not make one qualified to be a Sr. level governmentadministrator. Is it amateur hour?

    A lot of people assumed Obama was qualified to be president in 2008 based on his speech he did at the DNC in 2004. More clear?
     
  14. theiioftx

    theiioftx Sponsor Deputy

    Next year will be comical seeing some of the anti Trumps pissing and moaning about Hillary. I know, but I voted for Johnson!
     
  15. Mr. Deez

    Mr. Deez Beer Prophet

    A very good article. One of the biggest reasons why it's hard to get some conservatives to ditch Trump and why it was hard to get them to ditch him in the primary is that the media's critique of him is the same one they give of all Republican nominees.

    Of course, this isn't a reason to back Trump. However, when a bunch of biased hacks are bashing him the same way that they blatantly unfairly bashed others in the past, it makes it much harder to convince conservatives that the criticisms are fair in this case.
     
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  16. theiioftx

    theiioftx Sponsor Deputy

    I am not a fan of Trump. I declared this early in the primaries and it continues today. He is a pompous egotistical man who cannot control his mouth. However, I find little evidence he is corrupt and I think his SC picks and approach to the economy will be far better than HRC.

    I think your article is somewhat on target. The more I watch the bias against Trump, I see the DNC tactics employed against Sanders. I do not buy that the election is rigged, but certainly the media is. I am also finding myself more repulsed by the republican party who now would rather see HRC in office because it will allow them to retain their personal power.

    How the American public can overlook a politician that has been exposed by the FBI as a liar is amazing to me. I do think Assange will release some bombshells in the next few months to disrupt the elections. Maybe someone else emerges when he does.
     
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  17. Mr. Deez

    Mr. Deez Beer Prophet

    If identity politics and/or social issues are your top priorities, then you'll overlook a lot to deny the White House to Trump. For some people, nothing is more important than denying a racist (or at least perceived racist) the Presidency. In modern society, the racist label is more damaging than a murder conviction.
     
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  18. Hollandtx

    Hollandtx 250+ Posts

    Racist is the new black. Wait, that doesn't sound right.
    When in doubt, throw it out. (not too shabby, huh, Johnny Cochrane?)
    Crying racist will usually shut down even the most decent of conversations.
     
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  19. 4th_floor

    4th_floor Dude, where's my laptop?

    How about Trump University for corruption? He apparently took large amounts of cash from not so poor smucks who expected he would teach them to become real estate investors. TU delivered very little information that is not already available to someone with a computer.
     
  20. theiioftx

    theiioftx Sponsor Deputy

    I must have missed James Comey testifying about Trump? I must have also missed the emails where Reince Preibus et al rigged the republican primaries too. I also missed where Melania steered government contracts to the Trump foundation too. Yes, you are right. Hillary is the clean one in this election.
     
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  21. 4th_floor

    4th_floor Dude, where's my laptop?

    I didn't say Hillary was clean. I just said Trump is not clean either. You didn 't respond to my post on Trump U. Trump U shows Trump is a con man too. Join me in voting for liberty. Johnson-Weld 2016.
     
  22. theiioftx

    theiioftx Sponsor Deputy

    Trump U is the subject of civil lawsuits. Civil lawsuits are much different than criminal prosecutions, but keep on reading HuffPo.

    I could also write in myself which is the equivalent of voting for Johnson. Unfortunately, it is a binary choice between Trump and HRC.
     
  23. UTChE96

    UTChE96 2,500+ Posts

    Such an important point. The mass media (network news, CNN, most print media) has become such a liberal echo chamber that many conservatives just ignore them for the most part and now retreat to conservative echo chambers (more options now more than ever). Unfortunately very few options for less biased news anymore.
     
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  24. Mr. Deez

    Mr. Deez Beer Prophet

    4th,

    I'm as anti-Trump as it gets, and though I'm in favor of the fraud case going to trial because the plaintiffs have a right to have their day on court, I'm not going to presume his guilt or judge the case until we hear the evidence. I'm also not going to judge the case based on media characterizations. The media is very obviously biased against Trump, and they consistently do a crappy job at characterizing civil lawsuits in general. They don't know anything about civil litigation and don't care to learn, so they frequently highlight evidence that's of little relevance while ignoring smoking guns.
     
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  25. 4th_floor

    4th_floor Dude, where's my laptop?

    Hillary has never been convicted of a felony either. Yet she is corrupt and Trump is not.
     
  26. 4th_floor

    4th_floor Dude, where's my laptop?

    You have a point and I'm sure the media is hyping the plaintiff's case. But there is a lot of smoke there. So I'm betting there is a fire.
     
  27. 4th_floor

    4th_floor Dude, where's my laptop?

    You are likely correct. The reason you are correct is that the majority of the public thinks like you.

    I'm realistic enough to know that Johnson almost certainly won't win outright. But Trump and HRC are both equally unacceptable to me. I think the Libertarian ticket has a real shot at winning several purple states and Utah. I hope it strengthens the party for future elections.
     
  28. theiioftx

    theiioftx Sponsor Deputy

    And therein lies the fear I have about a HRC presidency. Although everyone saw the evidence of her guilt and the evidence of her using the DNC to commit election fraud, she is in fact above the law. A POTUS that does not obey the law and knows nobody can do anything about it is a very dangerous person. Throw in slick Willie running the Clinton Foundation in the background and you have a recipe for more world turmoil.

    I doubt Trump U was any different to the real estate scams shown on TV every day. Many of his enrollees bragged about how good the courses were. Even the first plaintiff gave it high ratings. The civil courts will play out with a likely undisclosed settlement. I doubt the FBI will be involved.
     
  29. theiioftx

    theiioftx Sponsor Deputy

    Additionally, the FBI Director confirmed she committed perjury with the US Congress. Those charges are coming even though I am sure the Obama Justice Department will squelch that too.
     
  30. Mr. Deez

    Mr. Deez Beer Prophet

    Here's the distinction. Nobody thinks Trump's case is rigged in his favor. The plaintiffs and their lawyers (who are almost surely on a continent fee) actually want to win and are trying to. While Judge Curiel isn't the monster Trump makes him out to be, he's not Trump's buddy either. It sounds like he's going to let the parties try their case and let the jury render a just verdict, which is fair to both sides. Furthermore, Trump's case will be subject to appellate review by the most partisan judicial circuit in the country. Nobody on the process is going to be doing him any favors.

    That isn't the case with Hillary. Political cronies are involved in every facet of the case, and one particular crony (Obama) has absolute power to stop something from happening to her regardless if the evidence, because he can pardon her. There is only one person in the process who isn't a blatantly partisan Democrat, and he knows that if he acts, he'll face spectacular political and media condemnation (as Kenneth Starr did) and that partisan hacks can and will overrule him if necessary to protect Hillary and help her evade justice.

    The bottom line is that if Trump is guilty, justice most likely will be done. If Hillary is guilty, nothing is going to happen to her, and that decision wasn't made when Comey didn't recommend indictment. It was made when a special prosecutor wasn't appointed.
     
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