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Discussion in 'West Mall' started by Joe Fan, Jul 25, 2016.
Amazing how TWTR sort of resembles post-November aggy...
They've already filed. Link.
The enforcement has never really been a thing. Even the antitrust cases that went through were ineffectual, meaning they protected the large company's market share, or regional monopolies of the remaining pieces.
I'm not surprised you're not a fan of antitrust laws. Most libertarians aren't. I view them as a mixed bag. When they're brought against businesses that are in the sack with government, I'm more favorable. When they're brought against companies that have acquired market dominance by simply being better than everyone else, I'm less of a fan unless there's pretty clear cut evidence of anti-competitive practices.
I saw they are suing Amazon, but I expected them to sue Apple and Google too.
That is the one against AWS, not Apple and Google. Hearing on the TRO was this morning, but ruling to be disclosed later...
The Declarations made for interesting reading...even if AWS counsel insisted on them ONLY being filed with redactions of the names of the persons making them.
They still can. They're likely starting with the more obvious claim, and as they conduct discovery and learn more specifics of what went down, they can join Apple and Google if the evidence leads there.
Your viewpoint is more or less what libertarians say.
The only thing I would add is that historical analysis has shown that antitrust laws haven't really done much to reduce monopoly problems. If a company is in the sack with the government, the answer should be clear enough. Get them out of the sack, don't give them further involvement with the government. It doesn't work.
Dios Bendiga Mexico.
Antitrust suits can last forever
One of my profs' entire career in private practice was a single antitrust case - i kid not. One case.
And thus very expensive
Startups cannot hang
The ACLU is such a disappointment. They do not deserve the name they claim
What I did find interesting is that the judge did not rule on the TRO yesterday...seems like many of those are pretty much an on-the-spot decision.
I am left with the impression that the judge was not thrilled with the response from AWS counsel when asked if they could get Parler back online if changes were made. AWS did not say yes or no but instead claimed they did not believe Parler would make the changes. As described, that comes across as AWS telling the court they are going to do what they want and no judge is telling them otherwise.
Sometimes they will let something like that hang but give a signal and strongly encourage the parties to resolve it before the ruling becomes official. Not all districts are the same, but most judges are always looking for ways to lessen the number of cases on their docket.
Twitter and the other tech giants continue to run scared. Post-1/6 analysis will likely show that their platforms were being leveraged to coordinate a coup. Their responses post-1/6 were of the CYA variety. Just like the incredible intelligence failure by the Capital Police and Seargent-at-arms for the House and Senate, these platforms realized the depths Trump and QAnon rhetoric on their platform was being used to motivate true sedition in sites like Parler, Gab, Signal, etc. only after the seminal event
I know we have some Chomsky lovers in here
Your own guy is calling you out as hypocrites with no principles
They can’t be held liable for third party content. Some are running scared due to the fact that they committed tortious interference.
Gab is getting better. At the start of the week it wouldn't load half the time, now it loads well and they are adding bandwidth.
How long before the Bee gets buzzed by Jack?
Google now thinks it can order you to love aggy
The ACLU has always been a fraud. It was for free speech and against censorship, when the viewpoints being pushed out were the same as theirs. Now that their side has control of the media, Big Tech, and the education establishment, they are all for it.
You could argue this but I say they used to actually stand up for rights when no one else would. What other group of jewish lawyers would fight for the principle that even the Nazis get to march in Skokie?
Ahh the Skokie march, they've been gravy training off that for years.
The National Socialist movement was a weak, pitiful, marginalized group with dozens of followers. Going to bat for them did nothing to impact the left's march through various institutions, which was their plan all along. Once they achieved total control of the media and educations outfits, the real censorship could begin.
Yeah we let them fix elections, but now they've gone too far.
Edit: Google should be careful. I would say the large majority of Longhorns and aggy are on the right - snowflakes excepted. The one thing we can agree on is governance. Perhaps we can disguise our communications to plan our response to their crimes as coming together again.
Now they are maneuvering to prevent banks from making loans to conservatives
Democrats Pledge To Fight Rule Ensuring Banks Serve Conservatives
4th has his priorities straight.
A few days ago, I got an email from the Bee inviting me to become a paid subscriber - I subscribe to a few websites besides this one. The email said that they are being pressured by big tech and are expecting to be deplatformed. I deleted the email since I am tapped out right now. Maybe I will reconsider since I think we need the Bee.
Longish post, sorry
We saw it in the Project Veritas hidden video of Jack Dorsey. He made it clear they are not stopping with just the ban of Trump. Trump was just their first volley - he was the start of a much bigger and fareaching plan. They are going to come after all of us. I think that you will not even have to actually tweet anything. Twitter is going to start banning people because of who they follow.
And Twitter is a relatively small fish in this pond. Think of the combined power of Apple + Google + Amazon. With the current infrastructure of the internet, it is basically impossible for anyone to fight them. The politicians wont help either, big tech and China are already deep in their pockets. There is no one left to help.
I suspect they will eventually come for forums like this one. They will make threats and put pressure on the board owner to shut down The West Mall or else. I have long believed that it was just a matter of time before they made me walk the gangplank. And it has come close. I will give you one small example. I honestly cannot recall if this was this board or the previous board, but I think it was this one. Anyway, I was making one of my usual clever posts with a lovely pic to dramatize the point (you know the type). I just went to Google and grabbed a random foto of a cute woman in a bathing suit (I have no memory of what the post was even about). Well, for some reason, Google contacted the board owner over the pic and called it 'porno.' There was no nudity, no protruding nipples, no exposed buttocks. It was just a bathing suit. But Google threatening them financially over it. They were not mucking about. To this day, I still do not understand what the issue was with that picture. It was in no way pornographic and they were the ones hosting it! But none of that mattered. The only thing that mattered is that Google either got what it wanted, or else. Neither of us knew exactly what it was they wanted. But I said "OK."
Anyway, back to the point. My view on all this has now evolved. I no longer think they are going to come for me individually (although that is always possible) -- I now think they are going to come for all of us as a group. Why? Because it is more efficient to just shut it all down at once than it is to take the time to identity individuals for banishment. And if these guys are about anything, they are about brutal efficiency. And, as we have seen recently, they have zero tolerance for ideas, thoughts and words that do not fit their own personal paradigm. Which covers quite a bit of the content here. I suspect they may even be devising ways to keep us from communicating at all. And "by us" I mean people who disagree with them (on anything). Zero tolerance.
And so they are going to eventually threaten this board owner more generally over what people post in here and he will not have any choice.
The West Mall is on the clock.
Agree completely. Just a matter of time before some leftist at Big Tech starts going after forums like this, saying they are MEAN!!!, for various postings, and that their Holy of Holy Terms of Service require that ...
Notice how Twitter is not a publisher under 230 and so is not responsible for what is posted, while the Big Tech outfits use what is posted on sites they don't like to censor them.
There will be widespread censorship of anything but left wing views, and the Coward John Roberts will allow it, while navel gazing at cases such as if an Asian band can trademark the name, The Slants.