UK may vote to leave the European Union

Discussion in 'West Mall' started by Mr. Deez, Jun 14, 2016.

  1. Horn6721

    Horn6721 Half of seeming clever is keeping your mouth shut.

    Garmel
    It was NOT the UK Parliament. It was the House of Commons only. Such facts must not matter to people like SH if it interferes with their rant.
     
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  2. Garmel

    Garmel 2,500+ Posts

    Are you trying to tell me that SH is wrong once again?
     
  3. Horn6721

    Horn6721 Half of seeming clever is keeping your mouth shut.

    He will never admit it.
    IF he actually posts here again he will move the goal posts.
     
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  4. Seattle Husker

    Seattle Husker 10,000+ Posts

    I posted the info
    The information was posted in real-time as I watched the House of Commons vote.

    Here is the BBC analysis (video).

    This is the description for the video.

     
  5. Seattle Husker

    Seattle Husker 10,000+ Posts

    The House of Lords, a largely symbolic unelected body, is expected to pass the House of Commons bill on Friday.
     
  6. Horn6721

    Horn6721 Half of seeming clever is keeping your mouth shut.

    Uh Husker
    You should know Parliament consists of 2 branches, House of Commons and House of Lords. Only the Commons voted on it so far.
    Nowledge is a good thing.
     
  7. Horn6721

    Horn6721 Half of seeming clever is keeping your mouth shut.

    LOL
    Move those goal posts. Husker
    what a joke
     
  8. Seattle Husker

    Seattle Husker 10,000+ Posts

    I'm here. While you aregue over semantics I'll focus on deeper topics, like the actual politics occurring in Britain.

    Speaking of which, Boris Johnson's bid to call for an election failed. Now the emperor will show that he has no clothes. All the claims of being able to achieve a "better" deal with the EU will prove hollow.

    Kudos to the Tory members who had the courage to bot against its party in the best interest of Britain. For those who don't want to view the video above, 21 Tory (Conservative...Boris' party) members voted with the opposition withstanding the threat they were to be expelled from the party. They still voted with the opposition, effectively ending their political careers.

    More American politicians should have that sort of courage. Instead, they quietly wait until reelection time and announce they won't run again rather than stand up for principles.
     
  9. Seattle Husker

    Seattle Husker 10,000+ Posts

    The irony of this post following mine is the joke, right?
     
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  10. Horn6721

    Horn6721 Half of seeming clever is keeping your mouth shut.

    Nah, just seconds different in posting.
    Keep your focus on moving the goal posts.
     
  11. Seattle Husker

    Seattle Husker 10,000+ Posts

    Since you're claiming superior knowledge on UK government intracacies. Enlighten the audience on the difference between the House of Commons and House of Lords. Please make sure to point out that the House of Lords doesn't actually have the ability to stop House of Commons legislation. They can ammend and delay, but they are rather feckless compared to the House of Commons. They are simply a "check" on the lower house. According to the BBC, the House of Lords is expected to pass the legislation on Friday, despite 92 amendments being put forth by the conservatives in the HoL.
     
  12. LongestHorn

    LongestHorn 2,500+ Posts

  13. Horn6721

    Horn6721 Half of seeming clever is keeping your mouth shut.

    LH
    Check out the dates. You look desperate to back up SH
    But facts are pesky and when SH posted that ONLY the Commons had voted.
    I am sure SH thanks you for trying,
    but FAIL
     
  14. LongestHorn

    LongestHorn 2,500+ Posts

    It hasn’t been 24 hours since his post, has it?

    What’s changed?
     
  15. Seattle Husker

    Seattle Husker 10,000+ Posts

    Horn6721 is preening because I misstated Parliament instead of House of Commons. It's a distraction mechanism to avoid the fact that the Anti-No Deal Brexit passed its biggest hurdle. If this were a horse race we'd say it won "going away" as the momentum is clearly going in the wrong direction for Boris.

    Of course, in an alternate reality, the one that screams "Fake News" because they don't like reality, DJT had this to say about Boris Johnson's 0-4 record in the HoC since taking over as PM.

     
  16. Garmel

    Garmel 2,500+ Posts

    :lmao:
     
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  17. Horn6721

    Horn6721 Half of seeming clever is keeping your mouth shut.

    SH
    Do you say a bill has passed Congress if it only has passed the House?
     
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  18. Garmel

    Garmel 2,500+ Posts

    He's probably going to redefine the meaning of congress.
     
  19. Seattle Husker

    Seattle Husker 10,000+ Posts

    That depends. Is the Senate lifetime appointed bureaucrats (nominated by the POTUS) that do little more than rubber stamp the elected officials?

    Your mistake is assuming "Parliament" and "Congress" operate simarly. They are both bicameral and that's where the similarities end.

    BTW- You still seem to be sidestepping the fact that by EOD tomorrow the No-Deal Brexit will be off the table until at least next year.
     
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  20. LongestHorn

    LongestHorn 2,500+ Posts

    Is that possible?
     
  21. Horn6721

    Horn6721 Half of seeming clever is keeping your mouth shut.

    Simple Question, either of you
    Can a bill pass without both the House of Commons and the House of Lords voting for it?
     
  22. LongestHorn

    LongestHorn 2,500+ Posts

    You sidestep more than a little girl who has to pee.
     
  23. Seattle Husker

    Seattle Husker 10,000+ Posts

    I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you are intentionally acting dense because the other option is not as favorable.

    Here is a simple explanation of the role of the House of Lords.

    With all that said, in all likelihood the No-Deal Brexit is dead until at least next calendar year.
     
  24. Horn6721

    Horn6721 Half of seeming clever is keeping your mouth shut.

    LOL
    No read my post to SH after he posted that erroneous statement. I asked him to clarify which he did not do and I have pointed out his error since then.
    You want to pretend it was not an error by deflecting.
    It was an error.
    Would you LH say a bill had passed Congress if it had only passed the House?
     
  25. Horn6721

    Horn6721 Half of seeming clever is keeping your mouth shut.

    SH
    Can a bill become law in the UK without passing BOTH Houses?
    Simple question
    so answer

    Here
    How does a bill become a law?
    A Bill can start in the Commons or the Lords and must be approved in the same form by both Houses before becoming an Act (law).
     
  26. Seattle Husker

    Seattle Husker 10,000+ Posts

    Ok...you are forcing me to reevaluate my opinion.

    Now, does anyone want to actually discuss the ramifications of what is going on in Britain or should we continue with Horn6721's UK Civics lesson?
     
  27. Horn6721

    Horn6721 Half of seeming clever is keeping your mouth shut.

    Lol
    Lh may believe you when you pee on his leg and tell him it is raining but no one else will.
    You said something which was not factual . I asked you to clarify. You did not. I pointed out your error which is when you started sliding sideways.

    I am done.
    But you can keep on digging.
     
  28. LongestHorn

    LongestHorn 2,500+ Posts

    I’m sorry for you Boris sucks. Better luck next time.
     
  29. Seattle Husker

    Seattle Husker 10,000+ Posts

    Clearly reading comprehension is not Horn6721's strength, along with the proper use of the carriage return.
    Of course this was followed with my explanation of why I see the House of Lords as little more than a rubber stamp. The response? Congress is synonymous with Parliament. Someone needs to travel outside the country more.
     
  30. Mr. Deez

    Mr. Deez 10,000+ Posts

    You're on thin ice here - very thin ice. I'm very pro-Brexit and think what Parliament is doing is foolish and dangerous. They're undermining their own country's negotiating power in an effort to nullify the original referendum. It is anti-democratic and traitorous.

    However, what SH is telling you about the process is true, and he's making you look bad. The House of Lords is not an equal or indispensable house of Parliament like the US Senate is indispensable. Furthermore, it is a generally less populist institution. On an issue like Brexit, it is not likely to be helpful even to the extent that it could.
     
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