Univ. of Chicago Dean: Obama never offered tenure

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  1. MojoMan

    MojoMan 1,000+ Posts

    According to the Interim Dean of the University of Chicago Law School during 2001, where Barack Obama lectured, at about the time that Obama had supposedly received an offer of tenure, Obama was not a "Constitutional Law Professor" and he was never offered tenure. In fact, it appears that he was primarily focused on “public interest law” and courses on race. So much for the bio of Obama being a brilliant college professor.Obama has certainly done nothing to discourage the misleading idea that he is some sort of brilliant constitutional law expert, which it appears now that he actually isn't. Someone should ask Obama about this at an upcoming press conference. Too bad nobody bothered to adequately explore the matter during the 2008 campaign.

  2. pasotex

    pasotex 2,500+ Posts

    game changer

  3. MojoMan

    MojoMan 1,000+ Posts

    You guys really just don't care that this guy is an empty suit and a fraud, do you?
  4. Hookem123

    Hookem123 1,000+ Posts

    Give Barry a break, he was busy in Chicago. The Link
  5. Clean

    Clean 5,000+ Posts

    A professor of "public interest law" and "racial issues", not a brilliant constitutional lawyer, wow imagine that. I'm surprised he wasn't a "smoke and mirrors" specialist.

    This would be a big story if it was about.......... Sara Palin or Mitt Romney. Don't expectt to see it on Yeahoo!
  6. I35

    I35 5,000+ Posts

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  7. WashU-Horn

    WashU-Horn 500+ Posts

    Mindless drivel. This is the kinda **** that convinces decent, reasonable people that being mentally ill or just plain retarded HAS to be a requirement to be a GOP worshipper.

    Here is the official statement from Chicago Law.
    The Link

    WHEN did Obama claim that he had tenure? When? Please let us know.

    Unless you are retarded, you must know that in order to RECEIVE tenure, you must first ACCEPT a tenure-track position. Obama never accepted a tenure-track position.

    So, that statement you love so much says and shows absolutely nothing. I am sure you and your fellow kkklan members don't find Obama has accomplished much in his life despite the fact that the man is totally self-made (unlike Romney). You don't become EDITOR of HLS's Law Review and graduate from HLS 'magna cum laude' unless you are very intelligent.

    But don't let the facts get in the way of your uneducated, idiotic drivel.
  8. dalhorn1

    dalhorn1 1,000+ Posts

    Oh, he mad...
  9. MojoMan

    MojoMan 1,000+ Posts

  10. texas_ex2000

    texas_ex2000 2,500+ Posts

  11. WashU-Horn

    WashU-Horn 500+ Posts

    I was never under the impression that he was a tenured Prof. The term Prof is generally used these days. I have lectured at Michigan Law. I know how these things go. Obama did nothing improper here, the problem is with people like you, who clearly struggle with reason and elementary reading comprehension.

    So, the "media" is to blame and because YOUR perception of said media suggests some sort of conspiracy favoring Obama, you direct the blame at Obama and not the media?
  12. MojoMan

    MojoMan 1,000+ Posts

  13. I35

    I35 5,000+ Posts

  14. huisache

    huisache 2,500+ Posts

    No fan of Obama but this is ridiculous. Chicago is an elite school, on par with the Ivies in terms of prestige in the academic world. Unlike our own school, which is top 50.

    My whine? Everybody keeps talking as if people who went to those schools or teach/taught there are geniuses. How many times have we been told that Romney must be great because he got degrees from Harvard's Law and business schools?

    Or been told W was not the dyslexic half wit he appeared because he had degrees from Yale and Harvard business?

    Except for legacies, rich guys who can give money and minorities, most of the students who get in are real bright. So what? I've had several Harvards tell me that once you are in you have to kill a teacher or not take finals in order to get kicked out. OR get caught cheating, like Teddy Kennedy.

    Obama got in as a result of affirmative action would be my guess and that is why he doesn't want his grades revealed. He got hired at Chicago because they needed some black faces in the faculty and he had a degree from Harvard.

    As pointed out repeatedly, he never published anything anywhere. I read law reviews regularly and not one in ten says anything worth reading unless they are highly technical on very limited matters. Most of it is just junk to be able to say you got published.

    I like to read friends of the court briefs to the US Supreme Court. I have been reading the Fischer stuff lately because it involves UT. Some of it is really good but most is just paste up junk making arguments that are total stretches.

    Obama didn't even do that.

    His resume is impressive on first reading but all it really tells you is that he got taught by some first rate people. So did all of us who graduated from UT if we went to the trouble of picking the right teachers.

    I don't blame the righties for pointing out that his credentials have been hyped. They have.
  15. WashU-Horn

    WashU-Horn 500+ Posts

    Tex-ex-2000: there IS a racial element to this. You can ignore it all you want. Yes, let's question the cranium of the minority that performed better than the Daddy-got-me-in white guy at the same school (HLS) because that is totally not racist at all.

    I35: Your efforts are unnecessary, they likely won’t be admitted.

    MM: Please provide concrete examples of HOW “Obama has played these conniving and misleading misrepresentations” Are you suggesting that people voted for Obama because they thought he was a tenured Con-Law professor? This is beyond stupid, a non-issue and wholly irrelevant. Only dimwitted partisan hacks are “concerned” with this “issue” Remove the tin-foil hat, dude.

    Huisache: Romney and W got in because of their Daddys. Obama did not. Further, Obama graduated MAGNA CUM LAUDE from Harvard Law School. Why do you need to see his grades? I graduated Magna (High Honors) from Texas. I don’t want you to see my grades, either. But I am not at all ashamed that I had a ~3.8 at Texas.

    Jeebus: I wish for a world where people associated with the GOP are capable of rational thought.
  16. omnipresent

    omnipresent 1,000+ Posts

    Hey Prof.wash-u couldn't the case barry actually had help.gaining entry into various institutions because of who (or where his father was from)?

    Why so.angry? Two sides will disagree and there is no means to an end of this disagreement. While two.sides fight and skew fact or bait the other into argument or traps, we all lose.
  17. Perham1

    Perham1 2,500+ Posts

    Excellent posts, washu.

    What is new here?

    From past news, including what the U of C put out, Obama was considered a professor; he was a lecturer (they are classified as profs there); lecturers are non-tenured.

    Lecturers are not on a tenure track, therefore he wouldn't have been offered tenure. Right?

    washu is absolutely correct.
  18. Perham1

    Perham1 2,500+ Posts

  19. Hookem123

    Hookem123 1,000+ Posts

  20. WashU-Horn

    WashU-Horn 500+ Posts

    Don't worry about me. I am sure your GOP hacks have already received ample evidence from HLS that Obama graduated magna cum laude.

    If you are that concerned about evidence and proof, Obama has released his tax returns. Romney, on the other hand, refuses to do so. This is a first of sorts. I mean, he is running for President, we are entitled to see his tax returns. What is he hiding? That he displayed his love of the country that gave him so much by making sure that he took all available loop-holes to pay practically nothing in Taxes? If it isn't astonishingly embarrassing and shady, why doesn't he just release his tax returns?

    This is a higher level of inquiry than bitching (like whiny little retards) about seeing the grades of a magna graduate who was elected to Law Review. Not to mention this is far more serious and relevant.
  21. Hookem123

    Hookem123 1,000+ Posts

    why doesn't Obama release the following?

    (1) the original, long-form 1961 Hawaiian birth certificate. Then there’s:

    2) Marriage license between Obama’s father (Barak Sr.) and mother (Stanley Ann Dunham)— not found, not released
    3) Obama’s baptism records — sealed
    4) Obama’s adoption records — sealed
    5) Records of Obama’s and his mother’s reptriation as US citizens on return from Indonesia — not found, not released
    6) Name change (Barry Sotero to Barack Hussein Obama) records — not found, not released
    7) Noelani Elementary School (Hawaii)— not released
    8) Punahou School financial aid or school records — not released
    9) Occidental College financial aid records — not released.(These records were, however, subpoenaed but Obama lawyers succeeded in quashing the subpoena in court. No other Occi records have been released.)
    10) Columbia College records — not released
    11) Columbia senior thesis — not released
    12) Harvard Law School records (not mentioned below, but not released)
    13) Obama’s law client list — sealed
    14) Obama’s files from career as an Illinois State Senator — sealed
    15) Obama’s record with Illinois State Bar Association — sealed
    16) Obama’s medical records — not released
    17) Obama’s passport records — not released
  22. majorwhiteapples

    majorwhiteapples 5,000+ Posts

    I love when you have a liberal backed into a common sense corner they start with the name calling, it is so funny when they call us retards, it goes against everything the all inclusive politically correct Democratic party stands for.

    They think retards are not equal to them......somehow they think they are above retards, that is your first problem, nobody is above anybody. Once you understand that you might then begin to understand freedom and the american way.
  23. DFWAg

    DFWAg 1,000+ Posts

    Huisache, I would push back on your claim about lack of work for the University of Chicago undergrad population. Those students work their *** off all the time. It is an odd, fuzzy, and unkempt group to begin with and all the time spent hitting the books during the dark winters does not help the situation.
  24. DFWAg

    DFWAg 1,000+ Posts

    I think this resonate because of the oft noted vacant resume for our current President. I think most sane people are still in shock on how he went from a part-time State Senator who never really made waves to Illinois Senator to President in no time. He never really did anything prior to this besides some community organizing and hanging around a college campus as an adjunct prof.
  25. Hookem123

    Hookem123 1,000+ Posts

  26. Crockett

    Crockett 5,000+ Posts


    This would be a big story if it was about.......... Sara Palin or Mitt Romney. Don't expectt to see it on Yeahoo!


    I'm not sure about Mitt, but I think newspaper editors would love to run with a story about Sarah Palin in any academic capacity at the University of Chicago... " See you guys she really IS smart. " If they wrote it, I'd read it, even if I had to buy the magazine.

    As far as Obama's elementary school records and the like (I think he did release the best birth certificate available to him ... ) is it really the same as Romney's recent tax returns. Maybe I'm biased (still undecided on the presidential race and leaning towards Romney) but I really see the comparison of Obama's unreleased records as kinda like telling your latest girlfriend "... sure I'll show you the results of my STD tests ... after you show me your fourth grade report card."
  27. huisache

    huisache 2,500+ Posts

    DFWag: I didn't say they didin't work, I said they don't have to when they are admitted. I've never known anybody who was an undergrad at Chicago, just law students and neither of them were slackers.

    I have known two Harvards who told me they never worked hard, one Yale undergrad and one from Columbia. ANother Dartmouth undergrad told me lots of stories about how good the fishing was in New England but admitted to being a lazy student.

    I agree that graduating with high honors from Harvard law suggests he is smart and worked hard. The current article by Michael Lewis suggests he developed real good study habits and is very disciplined. NOne of that means you are properly equipped to be president. Jimmy Carter had a sterling academic career at a first rate engineering school and was in large measure a bust as president. And a lot of that was because he was so smart.

    Still not impressed with Romney or Obama as chief executive.
  28. Hookem123

    Hookem123 1,000+ Posts

  29. Burnt Orange Bevo

    Burnt Orange Bevo 1,000+ Posts

    It's no problem, since the American people are about to grant Obama tenure (in the White House). Move along now.
  30. Crockett

    Crockett 5,000+ Posts

    Hookem123 if you ever go to a college graduation, look at the program. The program identifies graduates who are magna cum laude, cum laude and graduating with high honors. It's not a big secret, whether it's Harvard, or Tarrant County College.

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