Vacuum Pockets and Safety Nazis

Discussion in 'Esther's Follies' started by HornBud, Oct 13, 2008.

  1. HornBud

    HornBud 2,500+ Posts

    Found on a random website:

    Oh, boy.

    Now I have to explain the absolute Greatest Moment in Wacked Out Real Science.


    Couple years ago, some people I worked with finally completed a long-delayed
    project to build a very large vacuum chamber for testing plasma thrusters and
    other advanced spacecraft propulsion systems. Not the biggest in the business,
    but maybe top ten nationwide. Big enough to walk around inside, at any rate,
    which is the important point.

    Important, because in order to go operational it needed the approval of the
    local Safety Nazis. You know the type. They have a checklist, nay, a whole
    handbook of checklists, one of which involves Confined Spaces. Big enough
    to walk around in? Check. Airtight? Check. Can be filled with asphyxiant
    gas? Well, the MSDS for "Vacuum" apparently lists it as an "asphyxiant", so
    check. It's a Confined Space, and so the Confined Space checklist must be
    implemented.

    Issue the first: How do they make certain nobody can accidentally walk in while
    the chamber is full of that deadly asphyxiant, "vacuum"? No, the fifty *tons*
    of force holding the door closed, is not an acceptable answer.

    Issue the second: When the chamber is vented back to full atmospheric pressure,
    where does the vacuum go? If the chamber were accidentally vented by opening
    the door (see above, and note exact Safety Nazi quote, "OK, say if you were
    Superman and you opened the door"), where would the vacuum go?

    Issue the third: What assurance is there, that when the chamber is vented back
    to full atmosphere, there is an adequate percentage of oxygen in the chamber?
    Hint: It is a big, big, big mistake here to acknowledge here that the laws of
    statistical gas dynamics allow for one chance in 10^10^17 (no typo) that the
    chamber will spontaneously refill with a sufficiently oxygen-poor atmosphere
    to preclude respiration.

    Issue the forth, and so help me God I am not making this up, again an exact
    Safety Nazi quote, "How can you be sure there won't be vacuum pockets left
    in the chamber, that someone could accidentally stick their head into?"

    And, coupled with issue #2, there could be deadly vacuum pockets floating
    around the lab! Aieeee!!!! Run for your lives!

    It only took three weeks to find someone with the common sense and the real
    authority to overrule the Safety Nazis on this one, and the SNs still take
    offense if anyone brings it up in their presence.


    Vacuum pockets.
     
  2. Sangre Naranjada

    Sangre Naranjada 10,000+ Posts

    That is why Safety Nazis have to know WTF they are dealing with, and why companies cannot just use auditors from some outside firm just because they're cheap.
     
  3. accuratehorn

    accuratehorn 10,000+ Posts

    Anyone know where we could find such a knowledgeable person?
    Really, there are always originally good reasons for such regulations, but you run into those who try to enforce the letter of the rule rather than the intent of the rule.
    And there are cases of dangerous floating pockets of vacuum, seen most recently last weekend in Dallas. Fortuneately, the threat has dissipated.
     
  4. HornBud

    HornBud 2,500+ Posts

    I think they are government auditors.
     
  5. MilkmanDan

    MilkmanDan 1,000+ Posts


     
  6. Mrmyke709

    Mrmyke709 1,000+ Posts

    Thanks to accuratehorn and MMD....

    [​IMG]
     
  7. Steel Shank

    Steel Shank 1,000+ Posts

    Steel Shank had this happen to him just the other day. Very frustrating.
     
  8. killerfrog17

    killerfrog17 250+ Posts

    Ha, crazy stuff
     
  9. Statalyzer

    Statalyzer 10,000+ Posts

    Stupid people are frustrating just to read about. [​IMG]
     
  10. llanoflash

    llanoflash 25+ Posts

  11. KC-97HORN

    KC-97HORN 500+ Posts

    I forwarded the story to 3 others in the office....


    only one got the fact that it was a FUNNY story [​IMG]

    The other two were asking me why I would send them something that was so complicated to read [​IMG]

    I didnt even bother to try to explain
     
  12. The Eyes of Texas

    The Eyes of Texas 500+ Posts

    Where do you work KC? If I lose my job, I need to know a place where I can surely get employment....
     
  13. HornBud

    HornBud 2,500+ Posts

    KC, I'm not sure what's funny, your co-worker's reactions or the original post ;-)
     
  14. PFD

    PFD 1,000+ Posts


     
  15. KC-97HORN

    KC-97HORN 500+ Posts

    I work with some real brains.

    Had a discussion when hurricane Ike was coming where 2 of the folks actually were asking why were the media talking about Houston like it was close to the water. When I told them where it was, their next reaction was to say, well good they will get a paid vacation from their jobs on Friday..... [​IMG]
     
  16. HornBud

    HornBud 2,500+ Posts

    KC, are you by chance in advertising?
     

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