What if it was not the Russians?

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  1. Garmel

    Garmel 5,000+ Posts

    I'm curious to how much of this will be covered by the mainstream media.
     
  2. Joe Fan

    Joe Fan 10,000+ Posts

  3. Joe Fan

    Joe Fan 10,000+ Posts

    They wanted collusion with Russian proven
    Well, here it is
     
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  4. Joe Fan

    Joe Fan 10,000+ Posts

    Where is all the faux outrage about Russian Collusion now?

    Where are the liberal posters here who sincerely asked us -- shouldnt we all want to get to the bottom of Russian influence in American politics? Was that fake sincerity? Sure seems that way right now

    They claimed Putin was involved and they told us they really, really cared about that. Well, Putin was almost certainly involved in this uranium scheme. How do we know? Because we know he had been trying to acquire uranium assets (a foundational element for nuclear weapons) for some time. And this deal cost them well over $1Billion total. Thus, it almost certainly had to have his approval.

    So where are they?
     
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  5. Garmel

    Garmel 5,000+ Posts

    Good luck finding them.
     
  6. Joe Fan

    Joe Fan 10,000+ Posts

    We have known about this story for some time now. But the piece by the Hill (above) fills in many holes that existed.

    What do we know? Those Bill Clinton speeches in Moscow (at twice his normal rate) and the Russian donations to the Clinton Foundation were part of a massive bribery operation by Russia to get its Uranium deal. The Russians bribed their way through the Obama Admin in order to purchase our nuclear fuel. This should be a wow to everyone. Will it be?

    What else do we know? The FBI had been building a case since 2009. The FBI had:
    -- extensive financial records
    -- secret recordings
    -- intercepted emails
    -- money laundering transfers
    -- they even had a man on the inside, an eyewitness
    That proved what? bribery, kickbacks, extortion and money laundering. Including millions routed to the Clinton Foundation during the time Secretary of State Hillary Clinton served on a government body that provided the favorable decision to Moscow.

    What happened to that original case? DOJ sat on most of it
    Why? Good question
    Who decided this? Here it gets more interesting. Rod Rosenstein and Andrew McCabe supervised the Russia bribery scheme.

    Who are they? McCabe is now Deputy Director of the FBI while Rosenstein is now the Deputy Attorney General. It was Rosenstein who appointed Robert Mueller as Special Prosecutor.
    Can you guess who the FBI Director was back in the time of this Russian bribery investigation? Robert Mueller!

    So here we have a situation where Rosenstein, a person at the center of the Russian uranium corruption case, appointed his old buddy Mueller as the Special Prosecutor on Trump. For his part, Mueller knew as far back as 2009 that Putin’s Nuclear Man in the US (Vadim Mikerin) was directing bribes in the US. As crazy as this sounds, Mueller delivered the uranium to Russia while his FBI was investigating the Clintons’ part in the uranium deal with Russia. Incredible

    What conclusion can we draw from all of this?
    Here is my shot at it. All of this Trump-Russia stuff is a tactic by Obama-era hacks to divert attention away from their own Russia corruption and intelligence community abuses. This story here is not really about about Russia collusion in the US election. It never was. It is about Mueller/Comey/McCabe/Rosenstein going along with Obama/Holder to bury the earlier collusion involving the woman (and husband) they thought would be the next president. That group went along with the Obama Administration’s effort to play down this massive Russia/nuclear bribery scheme. They provided cover for the Clintons.

    And now you know why Rosenstein appointed Mueller: He knew Mueller won’t go on the real Russian collusion case. Why? Because it points back directly at Mueller (and the rest of them).

    It's a giant incestuous mess. One that involves multiple, overlapping instances of conflict of interest. None of these people (Rosenstein, McCabe, Mueller) should be involved in any of this now. It's ridiculous
     
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  7. Joe Fan

    Joe Fan 10,000+ Posts

    This one paragraph says so much - The Obama Admin knew that Bill and Hillary got money as part of a Russia influence scheme.
    This should light DC up
    But it probably wont

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  8. horninchicago

    horninchicago 10,000+ Posts

    There will be crickets on many fronts on this.
     
  9. Joe Fan

    Joe Fan 10,000+ Posts

    McCabe and Rosenstein in charge?
    They were part of the team that allowed a Russian nuclear firm under criminal investigation purchase a large chunk the US uranium supply
    Session should have taken steps to prevent this from happening

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  10. Joe Fan

    Joe Fan 10,000+ Posts

    If they care about the possibility the Russians attempted to intervene in a US election, shouldnt they also care the Russians tampering with US nuclear security six years earlier?

    Isnt this an actual national security issue?
     
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  11. horninchicago

    horninchicago 10,000+ Posts

    Yes, I watched all this on Hannity last night. This is absolutely a national security threat and Hillary and Obama et al all knew about it. Bribery, kick backs, you name it, as you detailed above.
     
  12. Joe Fan

    Joe Fan 10,000+ Posts

    The Senate Judiciary Committee has launched a probe into a Russian nuclear bribery case, demanding several federal agencies disclose whether they knew the FBI had uncovered the corruption before the Obama administration in 2010 approved a controversial uranium deal with Moscow.

    Sen. Chuck Grassley (R-Iowa), the committee chairman, gets his first chance to raise the issue in public on Wednesday when he questions Attorney General Jeff Sessions during an oversight hearing.

    http://thehill.com/policy/national-...-probe-into-obama-era-russian-nuclear-bribery
     
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  13. horninchicago

    horninchicago 10,000+ Posts

    Sessions needs to un-recuse himself and see to it that all these people get locked up.
     
  14. Seattle Husker

    Seattle Husker 10,000+ Posts

    Fake sincerity like defending Donald Trump's sexual assaults/harassment then going into overdrive on Harvey Weinstien? Asking for a friend. ;)


    I want to learn more about this. If there is some illegality to the transaction then I'll stand in line to say lock her up. I also know that the decision to sell the Uranium to Russia was not HRC's alone but rather a panel of 16 people. If there is evidence of bribery to the Clinton foundation then all the panel members need to be investigated.
     
  15. Garmel

    Garmel 5,000+ Posts

    Was there ever any proof of Trump's misdeeds beyond allegations?
     
  16. Seattle Husker

    Seattle Husker 10,000+ Posts

    Aside from his own claims on audio, previous lawsuits and the ones still going on? Here is an account of the woman that filed then later withdrew a lawsuit in '97.
     
  17. Garmel

    Garmel 5,000+ Posts

    As I said, where's the proof? Trump's rant on audio hardly proves he's a harrasser/assaulter. Perhaps a sexist pig but that's about it. Why did the woman withdraw her lawsuit(I couldn't read it)? Probably got the payoff from Trump that she wanted. Nearly all wealthy, popular guys deal with these lawsuits. Allegations don't mean much. Why do you think Pence is scared to death to be left alone with a woman besides his wife?
     
  18. Joe Fan

    Joe Fan 10,000+ Posts

    GPS Fusion finally before Congress
    Taking the 5th of course




     
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  19. Joe Fan

    Joe Fan 10,000+ Posts

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  21. Brad Austin

    Brad Austin 2,500+ Posts

    Whole lotta actual collusion went down in 2016 to steal the election. The irony is none of it involved the one person who has a special counsel trying to find evidence of his guilt. :smh:

    Hillary colluded with DNC and media to beat Bernie...proven
    Obama admin unmasking to beat Trump...proven
    FBI and many others colluded with Fusion GPS to beat Trump...proven
    Media colluded with HRC to beat Trump...proven
    Trump colluded with Russia to beat HRC...crickets

    Sure I left out a few other colluding plots to defeat DT but it's hard to keep count these days.
     
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  22. Joe Fan

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  23. Joe Fan

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  24. Joe Fan

    Joe Fan 10,000+ Posts

    "Is it time for Special Counsel Robert Mueller to recuse himself from his investigation into Russian activities in the 2016 presidential election?

    Lost in much of the discussion over this week’s developments in the growing Russia/Uranium/Clinton scandal is the fact that none other than Mueller was the FBI Director during this investigation. And that investigation is under serious scrutiny.

    Under Attorney General Eric Holder, the FBI informant at the center of the probe was prohibited from revealing any of the details of the investigation to members of Congress because of a non-disclosure agreement that has been characterized as unusual by the informant’s attorney ...."

    https://www.mediaite.com/columnists...ctor-during-the-russia-uranium-investigation/
     
  25. Joe Fan

    Joe Fan 10,000+ Posts

    GPS Fusion GPS went to court to stop the House from obtaining its bank records

    "....... The committee's intention in sending the subpoena to TD Bank is to see if Fusion's bank records shed light on who financed the Trump dossier. That is one of the two most important questions in the dossier investigation -- the other being whether any U.S. intelligence or law enforcement agencies used the unverified dossier as a basis for surveillance applications to the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court.

    Fusion has flatly refused to provide any information on its funding to either House or Senate investigators.....
    * * *
    It is not unprecedented for Congress to subpoena bank records. As a general rule, according to congressional investigators, banks usually comply without much fuss. But of course, this is not a routine case.

    http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/b...ouse-from-seeing-bank-records/article/2638187
     
  26. Joe Fan

    Joe Fan 10,000+ Posts

    The subpoenas^ were issued by Mike Conaway (R-TX) who sought basic information about the Steele dossier that we still do not know. Such as who paid for it.

    The consensus has long been that an Anti-Trumper initially funded the Steele dossier through the primary. But then pro-Clinton supporters forces took over funding. There are even claims that the FBI paid Fusion GPS as well for this "dossier" the contents of which have never been substantiated.

    Despite this lack of substantiation, the FBI was somehow able to use it to get a FISA warrant. This warrant allowed the Obama Admin to wiretap the Trump campaign under false cover in one of the most outrageous acts in US election history. It also seems almost certain that the Obama folks then passed on some of the FISA-acquired information to aid the Clinton Campaign.
     
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  27. Joe Fan

    Joe Fan 10,000+ Posts

    To be clear, we as a country and as a society say it is wrong, even criminal, to meddle in the political affairs of other countries?

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  28. Joe Fan

    Joe Fan 10,000+ Posts

    To be clear, we as a country and as a society say it is wrong, even criminal, to meddle in the political affairs of other countries?

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  29. Joe Fan

    Joe Fan 10,000+ Posts

    To be clear, we as a country and as a society say it is wrong, even criminal, to meddle in the political affairs of other countries?

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  30. Joe Fan

    Joe Fan 10,000+ Posts

    "Remember when we sold 20% of our uranium to Russia for $145M, had the FBI cover it up, and then accused Trump of collusion?
    Oh boy, that was a good one"

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