What if it was not the Russians?

Discussion in 'West Mall' started by Horn6721, Dec 13, 2016.

  1. Horn6721

    Horn6721 Half of seeming clever is keeping your mouth shut.

    Mr D
    I would suggest there is speculation and/or presumption in your saying Trump has conflict of interest. OTOH there is no speculation about Lynch having a role in deciding Hillary's illegal server /abuse of email issue. We know Lynch is the AG.

    Now if you have pics of Trump meeting with Putin on a tarmac 3 days before the emails were exposed that would be a whole 'nother ball game.

    We need pics of the finished fondue.
  2. Mr. Deez

    Mr. Deez 10,000+ Posts

    The pot's a little messy because we've already started eating it, but this is what the finished product looks like. We dip red bell pepper, apple, and obviously bread.

    Fondue is great. It tastes wonderful, and if you're a single guy, chicks seem to be impressed by it. Not sure why. It's very easy to make. I think they just assume that if you can make something with a French name, you must be pretty smoothe. It certainly worked with Mrs. Deez.

  3. Horn6721

    Horn6721 Half of seeming clever is keeping your mouth shut.

    That is a great looking eve of New Year's Eve tradition.
    Next year maybe you will make enough for all of us.
    You'd need a bigger boat:smokin:
  4. Mr. Deez

    Mr. Deez 10,000+ Posts

    If you all went to the trouble of showing up in Germany, I'd happily host a Hornfans fondue party. In fact I'd go the extra step and do the chocolate fondue for dessert and have plenty of good wine and beer.
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  5. Mr. Deez

    Mr. Deez 10,000+ Posts

    I never said they did, and I'm not sure what independent (or allegedly independent) investigator you're referring to.

    There is no independent investigation going on yet, so this statement makes no sense.

    How do you know it has nothing to do with Trump? Again, this is speculation. Let somebody independent look into it.

    I don't know about any dealings, and you don't know that there aren't any. If I did there wouldn't need to be any investigation of any kind. This is why somebody independent should look.

    You'll never find out if they were in bed together if nobody looks.

    Lynch wasn't independent. She was Obama's AG. I'm calling for independence in this matter as I did in the email controversy.
  6. NJlonghorn

    NJlonghorn 1,000+ Posts

    This consistency thing you're pushing Is quite troubling, Deez.
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  7. Mr. Deez

    Mr. Deez 10,000+ Posts

    I'm going to admit something. When I get an alert that you've quoted a message of mine, I get a little nervous. I think "Crap, what did I get wrong?"
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  8. I35

    I35 5,000+ Posts

    Deez, I was referring to what's going to happen in an investigation when it does start. We all know because that's the issue the Dems have been pushing. I think you knew that. Just being goofy?

    If they try to investigate Trump with being in on a hacking then they are wasting there time. Nobody actually believes that. Dems say all the time thing that can create doubt. Just like Harry Reid suggesting Romney not paying taxes for several years trying to create doubt. That would be like if the GOP wanting an investigation on Obama to see if he has connections or terrorist ties. Can you imagine the cries by the left If the GOP actually suggested that?
  9. Mr. Deez

    Mr. Deez 10,000+ Posts

    I'm not pushing anything. I'm calling for an independent investigation, and I'm willing to see where that goes. Keep in mind a few things. First, I live in Germany. Second, I don't have cable or satellite, so I don't watch American news. Third, Mrs. Deez doesn't care about politics, so I don't watch much political news of any kind. That means I don't follow what the Dems or what anybody's pushing, and frankly, I don't give a crap.

    How the hell do you know this?

    If the a terrorist organization had hacked into the RNC in order to help Obama win the Presidency, then I think an investigation of the hack and if it had any connection to Obama would be entirely reasonable.
  10. Joe Fan

    Joe Fan 10,000+ Posts

  11. Horn6721

    Horn6721 Half of seeming clever is keeping your mouth shut.

    DNC admitted the FBI never examined or asked to examine their servers.
    The FBI used info provided by Crowd Strike.
    In other cases it has been part for the course for the FBI to do their own forensic research on hacks.
  12. Musburger1

    Musburger1 2,500+ Posts

    That's tin foil hat conspiracy theory. Everyone knows the government doesn't stonewall or coverup wrong doing. Process is always followed according to legal guidelines and correct protocol.
  13. Joe Fan

    Joe Fan 10,000+ Posts

  14. texas_ex2000

    texas_ex2000 2,500+ Posts

    March 2015 - http://m.jpost.com/Israel-News/US-s...0QzhBMTgzNkNBRjYyNDQ0OTBCRTZDNDIwNDM3OUJEMDQ=

    July 2016 - http://m.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/jul/12/obama-admin-sent-taxpayer-money-oust-netanyahu/

    December 2016 -

  15. Joe Fan

    Joe Fan 10,000+ Posts

    Believe it or not, someone from ABC asked Obama's press guy a tough question today. He was all Russia, Russia, Russia -- and the ABC guys aks why they did freak out in a similar fashion when the Chinese hacked us. I dont know why ABC waited 8 years to get tough on these folks -- maybe they figure its safe now? There can be no serious retaliation?

    JON KARL, ABC: So when the Chinese hacked OPM in 2015, 21+ million current and former government employees and contractors had their personal data stolen by the Chinese. Why did the White House do nothing publicly in reaction to that hack? Which in some ways, was even more widespread than what we saw here from the Russians?

    JOSH EARNEST: These are two cyber incidents that are malicious in nature but materially different.

    KARL: 20 million people had their personal data taken... fingerprints, social security numbers, background checks. This was a far-reaching act--

    EARNEST: I'm not downplaying the significance of it, I'm just saying that it is different than seeking to interfere int he conduct of a U.S. national election. I can't speak to the steps that have been taken by the United States in response to that Chinese malicious cyber activity--

    KARL: But nothing was announced. There was not a single step announced by the White House. '

    EARNEST: It is true that there was no public announcement about our response, but I can't speak to what response may have been initiated in private.

    KARL: But no diplomats expelled, no compounds shut down, no sanctions imposed, correct?

    You don't do that stuff secretly.
  16. Joe Fan

    Joe Fan 10,000+ Posts

    Speaking of intervening in elections, back in 2015 Obama himself gave hundreds of thousands of dollars to an Israeli group, OneVoice, who then used the money to fund an anti-Benjamin Netanyahu effort during the Israeli election.

    They originally said the money was as for the "Israeli-Palestinian peace negotiations." They lied. OneVoice even told the State Department in an email what they were going to do with this money. It's all in a congressional report.

    It's not 'hacking' but it is pretty close to directly intervening in the fair elections of another country. And this money Obama sent them was US taxpayer funds. Have we ever had a bigger hypocrite in the Oval Office?

  17. Seattle Husker

    Seattle Husker 10,000+ Posts

    The angle that we shouldn't care about Russian intervention because we've intervened ourselves is pretty self serving. Now y'all are suddenly worried about hypocrisy? Our entire foreign policy is hypocritical but as a world leader you get that benefit.
  18. Seattle Husker

    Seattle Husker 10,000+ Posts

    The intelligence leaks are getting a little ridiculous. Maybe Trump needs to look long an hard at his attempts to "disparage" (Clapper's word today) the intelligence community.

    POTUS Obama was briefed today on the final findings. CNN is reporting that intelligence officials know the exact middle-men between Russia and Wikileaks in the handoff of the data. I imagine those individuals are now running for their lives to avoid any clandestine actions. Whether they are running from the CIA because of Obama (wanting to expose their efforts) or Trump (wanting to hide their efforts) they will be wanted men for a long time.
  19. Joe Fan

    Joe Fan 10,000+ Posts

    That is some of the worst analysis I have ever seen
  20. Seattle Husker

    Seattle Husker 10,000+ Posts

    "some"? I've read the :puke: you post so the bar is pretty easy to clear.
  21. Seattle Husker

    Seattle Husker 10,000+ Posts

    Almost as bad as saying our CIA has interfered in other 3rd world country elections so we shouldn't care, investigate or respond since Russia interfered in ours?
  22. texas_ex2000

    texas_ex2000 2,500+ Posts

    Joe, see my post, specifically the NPR article. World powers have been meddling in other countries' elections forever. It's obvious to everyone that this is sour grapes.

    Lesson learned? Don't make "password" your password. Democrats must be allergic to the concept of OPSEC.
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  23. Musburger1

    Musburger1 2,500+ Posts

    There is an amazing amount of irony in the Russian hacking story. For instance.

    1. Speculation that there may be Russian influence/tampering on the election process is said to be a threat to our democracy and must be investigated.

    2. Confirmation that there was DNC influence/tampering on the election process only resulted in dismissing Wasserman-Schultz. Apparently when a political party tampers with the elections process as the DNC did, this is not a threat to our democracy.

    3. Today Clapper said that espionage (gathering information) is expected, but influencing elections is not.

    4. The US has initiated coups and color revolutions all over the planet. It's unacceptable for another country to try that in America, but standard operating procedure for the US.
  24. Joe Fan

    Joe Fan 10,000+ Posts

    The US alone has been doing more of this than anyone for the last 100 years

    Always think of this
  25. Joe Fan

    Joe Fan 10,000+ Posts

  26. Seattle Husker

    Seattle Husker 10,000+ Posts

    The Obama administration released the report on a Friday afternoon, clearly trying to downplay its impact by limiting the media cycle. CNN has the full declassified version.
  27. Seattle Husker

    Seattle Husker 10,000+ Posts

    Is everyone still wondering what Trump knows that the intelligence agencies don't? He said he had information that they didn't have. Mr. Deez may be right...Trump should be investigated if he's withholding information from our intelligence agencies.
    Last edited: Jan 6, 2017
  28. Joe Fan

    Joe Fan 10,000+ Posts

    Last edited: Jan 6, 2017
  29. Joe Fan

    Joe Fan 10,000+ Posts

    It's kinda funny

  30. Seattle Husker

    Seattle Husker 10,000+ Posts

    After reading the report, I think the Russkies stole JoeFan's playbook. At the very least, the views he expresses here are exactly what the DNI says the Russian's were trying to advance.

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