What if it was not the Russians?

Discussion in 'West Mall' started by Horn6721, Dec 13, 2016.

  1. OUBubba

    OUBubba 1,000+ Posts

    I also thought the guy who mocked a disabled person, talked **** about a war hero, dodged the draft with bone spurs, had 5 kids with 3 wives, has had charities legally fined due to fraud, bribed a porn actress to keep her quiet, has about 23 different claims of sexual assault would not get elected. Whoda thunk it?
     
  2. Garmel

    Garmel 2,500+ Posts

    Some of that's true and some of it isn't. I know it doesn't matter to you because anything negative against Trump must be true.
     
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  3. mchammer

    mchammer 5,000+ Posts

    Why can’t you point to something objective like stock market, unemployment rate, wage gains, NATO contributions, etc to criticize Trump instead of something subjective? So you want Barney as president?
     
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  4. Horn2RunAgain

    Horn2RunAgain 500+ Posts

    You sound as if he boned your ex girlfriend. Or stole your lunch money. Or ran over your *** like Bo Jackson did on Brian Bosworth

    Bless your heart.
     
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  5. OUBubba

    OUBubba 1,000+ Posts

    What's false? And yes, the stock market and general economy is on the same trend that it has been on since 2009. Are trusting jobs numbers now? We didn't from 1/20/2009-1/19/2017. They were fake according to the economists on hornfans.
     
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  6. OUBubba

    OUBubba 1,000+ Posts

    How about the national debt? Or our standing in the world. That went to **** and the hogs ate it.
     
  7. Horn2RunAgain

    Horn2RunAgain 500+ Posts

    our "standing in the world " ? A lot of people from Europe didn't like us (for any # of reasons) for many years prior. That preceded the current POTUS.

    Don't forget all the micro wars we aren't involved in anymore

    Or the fact minority unemployment is at an all time low

    One doesn't have to stop there, keep going....
     
  8. horninchicago

    horninchicago 5,000+ Posts

    Okay, let's once again debunk the whole "Trump mocked a disabled reporter" line of BS. I mean, yes, the guy is disabled. That isn't what was mocked. It was his dumb *** remarks and reporting. So, this short clip shows that, well before the "disabled reporter" thing, Trump just does this. Weird? Maybe. Not mocking a disability though. So, bringing it up it is just...******** and fake news.

    Not being able to criticize someone because he has a disability is ridiculous. It's like people who were called racist if they dared criticize Obama. It's stupid.

     
  9. mchammer

    mchammer 5,000+ Posts

    Why would NATO contributions go up if our standing is down?
     
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  10. mchammer

    mchammer 5,000+ Posts

    Regarding debt, there is no distinction between Trump and everyone else in Washington. So, what’s the point of mentioning the debt? That’s right, you have no point.
     
  11. mchammer

    mchammer 5,000+ Posts

     
  12. horninchicago

    horninchicago 5,000+ Posts

    Liberals seem to think our "Standing in the world" is better when the President is blaming all other countries' woes and failures on the bad policies and failures oof the US over the years. BTW, those policies and failures that Obama apologized for are the recommendations and ideas of the same types of career "Diplomats" that Trump questioned and has led to this impeachment nonsense.

    Funny that liberals and Dems still want to follow what these people think and say so the world will think we are nice. Being nice is bending over and taking it with no dinner, dancing, or lube.
     
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  13. bystander

    bystander 5,000+ Posts

    I'm with you on the national debt but not on our standing. Other than the US, we have three main blocks: Russia, China and Europe. I hope Russia and China are upset with us because it would mean that we are standing up to them. The US world hegemony is the only thing that prevents total domination by those two despotic governments.

    As for Europe I don't care what they think. I"m not impressed with them at all. They are the incubator for the world's misery over the years. Who spawned imperialism? Who fostered slavery? Who hosted two world wars? Who gave us Hitler? So they have beautiful scenery and art. It means nothing to me in terms of foreign policy. They are virtue signaling socialists and if not for us they'd be over-run by Putin.
     
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  14. horninchicago

    horninchicago 5,000+ Posts

    Yep we save their sorry asses constantly and they thank us by under paying and criticizing us. F them.
     
  15. bystander

    bystander 5,000+ Posts

    Arguably they are also the source of white supremacy. Yet Liberals fawn all over them. Liberals think the rest of us are a bunch of inbred hillbilly's and Europe's class and style is how they want to see themselves.

    But where are the black people in Europe? Who sent the white marauders all over the world?

    It's a real psychological study as to the attraction between American Liberals and Europeans. Or is it just good old fashioned hypocrisy and elitism?
     
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  16. horninchicago

    horninchicago 5,000+ Posts

    Just like how they are supposedly for women and homosexuals yet they bend over backwards for religions that persecute those 2 groups.
     
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  17. Sangre Naranjada

    Sangre Naranjada Liquor Man

    Occam's razor suggests the latter.
     
  18. OUBubba

    OUBubba 1,000+ Posts

    If you don't think that's mocking the disabled guy then you're why we can't have nice things.
     
  19. OUBubba

    OUBubba 1,000+ Posts

    Yet the entire right wing base was howling about it until 1/20/2017. Now? Not a care in the world. Largest corporate tax cut in history? No worries. Did it work? No. Companies spent the savings on stock buy backs not on capital investments.
     
  20. bystander

    bystander 5,000+ Posts

    Were you aware that utility companies were required to pass 100% of the tax reduction to their customers? Utility companies are allowed to recover their income tax in the rates they charge. Lower the tax rate and then you lower the rate charged the customer to the extent of the tax.

    Stock buy-backs are not 100% about greed as all Liberals believe. You can resell the stock later at a gain if needed. There is not always a capital project that makes sense at the moment. You certainly could bonus it out to all the employees and I get that but at the same time, in a global competitive market, parking the money with the shareholders (THE OWNERS) knowing you can make a public offering later is not all bad.

    I've attended rate cases with local municipalities and let me tell you, they think financing a public company is a given. They think you can just dip your hand in and take the money. But you have to sell people on the market exchange itself. You may believe that's another given, but money going both ways is VERY important to investors.
     
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  21. bystander

    bystander 5,000+ Posts

    I'd like to see some stats:

    1) Government spend year over year
    2) Government revenues year over year
    3) Dollar amount of tax reduction (static scoring; assuming every $ of the tax cut is lost without any offset coming in from economic activity spurred by more capital in the marketplace).
    4) Capital gains tax revenue from those whose stocks were bought back by the corporations.
     
  22. horninchicago

    horninchicago 5,000+ Posts

    I can't help you if you don't see that is just how he mocks people. I already acknowledged he mocked him, just as he did the others prior to the "disabled guy" being mocked. He mocked what he said, not his disability. I guess everyone else in that video I posted is disabled?
     
  23. mchammer

    mchammer 5,000+ Posts

    You appear to be confused regarding tax cuts and the deficits. They are not related.
     
  24. OUBubba

    OUBubba 1,000+ Posts

    A. Utility companies are a subsidized unit that might as well be part of the gubmit.
    B. I didn't say that stock buy backs were bad or about greed. I said that experts say that companies generally didn't use these savings to re-invest in their companies by "adding capital and adding jobs". They added value to their company. I said that they'd end up buying bigger yachts and vacation homes. That's what the olds call hyperbole.
     
  25. OUBubba

    OUBubba 1,000+ Posts

    It's simple economics. If you cut revenue (taxes) and you don't cut expenditures then you'll increase your deficit. I'm not an economist but I do have a MBA and wrote a long old paper about budget deficits and their impact on GDP.

    The secret saga of Trump's tax cuts – Center for Public Integrity

    These guys seem to disagree with you as well.

    Trump's Additional Budget Deficit Was Largely Due To The Corporate Tax Cut

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    The U.S. Treasury Department publishes a 36 page monthly statement that has all sorts of information about where the Federal government receives its “income” and how it is spent. In the most recent report ending in September 2018 for the full fiscal year 2018 it shows that the federal budget deficit increased from $666 billion in fiscal 2017 to $779 billion in fiscal 2018, an increase of $113 billion or 17%. In the same report corporate tax receipts dropped from $297 billion in fiscal 2017 to $205 billion in fiscal 2018, a decrease of $92 billion or 31%. The $92 billion would account for 82% of the increase in the deficit.
     
  26. bystander

    bystander 5,000+ Posts

    A public company is not subsidized. They are attacked by the municipalities every day. The tax refund comment is true. And municipally owned utilities tax the public in amounts far greater than is needed to run the utility. In that regard they ARE the government: Abusive and wasteful.

    Who had their stock bought back? You're saying only the rich guys had theirs repurchased. You don't think people like me had some bought back?
     
  27. Horn6721

    Horn6721 Half of seeming clever is keeping your mouth shut.

    Bubba
    You" If you cut revenue (taxes)."
    Except revenue is NOT being cut. Tax revenues are up. Were up in 2018 and projected up in 2019 and 2020.
    You are right, without cutting the spending deficits still go up. Not as much as without the increased tax revenue.
    Obama's last year tax revenues were up .5% Deficit climbed 148 Billion
    In fy 2018 revenues rose .5% Deficit climbed 113 billion
    But to increase spending is unacceptable.
     
  28. mchammer

    mchammer 5,000+ Posts

    A simple graph of tax revenue and government expenditure proves the two are not related. FWIW, I have a minor in economics.
     
  29. mchammer

    mchammer 5,000+ Posts

    The corporate tax drop is mostly a one time thing.
     
  30. Mr. Deez

    Mr. Deez 10,000+ Posts

    I don't have a MBA, but I can do second grade math, and that's all it takes to figure this out (unless you went to school in Oklahoma).

    The budget deficit is based on the total revenue and total spending, not corporate tax receipts. Total revenue has increased every year since 2009. Total spending has increased much more.

    A little perspective. The last time the budget was balanced was in 2001, when we ran a $128B surplus. Since then we've added about $1.3T in annual revenue. We've added about $2.1T in annual spending. Figuring out the cause of the big deficits isn't that hard.

    But unfortunately that's empty rhetoric. Both parties have shown that it is acceptable whether they say so or not.
     

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