What if it was not the Russians?

Discussion in 'West Mall' started by Horn6721, Dec 13, 2016.

  1. Monahorns

    Monahorns 2,500+ Posts

    Both parties agree that they get to spend more and more on whatever they want to spend it on.
     
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  2. mchammer

    mchammer 5,000+ Posts

     
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  3. I35

    I35 5,000+ Posts

    Bubba, it’s amazing how you are so consistent at the left’s talking points. You realize that Trump de-regulated every single economic policy that Obama regulated right? The economy, although the slowest recovery in history thanks to those regulation he made still survived despite Ibama.
     
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  4. Joe Fan

    Joe Fan 10,000+ Posts

    Everyone who disagrees with Jeff Bezos is a Russian spy

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  5. Monahorns

    Monahorns 2,500+ Posts

    Fascists think everybody else is communists. Communists think every body is fascists.

    Washington Post is fascist and they still see the world through Cold War glasses.
     
  6. mchammer

    mchammer 5,000+ Posts

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  7. Seattle Husker

    Seattle Husker 10,000+ Posts

    @mchammer should be on Dancing with the Stars. He might be able to give Sean Spicer a run for his money.

    In all seriousness, the IG found exactly what I stated he'd find earlier in this thread (or another). No bias, the FISA warrants were justified albeit there were procedural errors.

    Color me surprised when political appointees Barr and Durham use the same information and come to a different conclusion.

    Where will you dosey doe next to? Clearly you'll never admit wrong.
     
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  8. Garmel

    Garmel 2,500+ Posts

    You don't think Horowitz, who is a democrat, didn't bring his own baggage?

    Btw, I hate to tell you that even Horowitz admits that the FISA warrants were gotten by a unverified dossier. That's troubling and illegal.

    Why would Mchammer have to admit that he's wrong? The IG doesn't have the info that Durham and Barr have. Before you come in here spiking the ball you need to wait on Durham.
     
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  9. OUBubba

    OUBubba 1,000+ Posts

    Please point out what in the "dodgy" dossier has been proven false?
     
  10. Garmel

    Garmel 2,500+ Posts

    Barr and Durham have a lot more than the IG. I don't even know where this is coming from.
     
  11. Garmel

    Garmel 2,500+ Posts

    "Proven false" never came into the picture. It was never verified.
     
  12. Horn2RunAgain

    Horn2RunAgain 500+ Posts

    COUP: FBI official under criminal investigation for 'ALTERING DOCUMENT' used to obtain Russia probe surveillance warrant on Trump campaign - Geller Report News

    Criminal investigation has been opened into an FBI OFFICIAL suspected of altering a document in the warrant app to surveil Trump campaign advisor Carter Page during the 2016 election

    "Document tampering"

    Look, for those of us that have kept up with this day after day, it's clear dems have been underhanded in the investigation. If someone here could imbed the questioning Goldman endured at 12:50CT, it pretty much sums it up. 'Yes we obtained phone records, no I will not tell you WHO asked a judge for permission to do so.... No I will not tell you who LEAKED the info, either '

    There's a cover up going on , alright.

    This whole nonsense is "False", bubba. If anyone believes this dem attack, I'd love to have them sit down at my poker table. I have shears ready :yes:
     
  13. 4th_floor

    4th_floor Grrrrrrrrr!

    The only credit I will give the Washington Compost is the opinion label is applied.
     
  14. Seattle Husker

    Seattle Husker 10,000+ Posts

    I know I'm asking a lot of your longterm memory but the search function could be a tremendous aid for you.

    Let's review @mchammer build up to the IG Report.
    Then when the reports conclusion started leaking we get the famous Texas 2-step from mchammer (emphasis is mine).

    Now I recognize there may be 1 indictment out of this and that lawyer if proven should be punished. Still, the hope that the IG would validate some vast conspiracy wasn't justified. It's entirely possible that Durham tries to make that case to help Barr and Trump save face. Afterall, they were likely put in their positions for that specific purpose. That doesn't change the fact that mchammer's buildup for the IG Report landed flatter than Part 1 of the Mueller report, by a significant margin.

    Keep in mind that the continued narrative that mchammer is pushing is a vast conspiracy by the "deep state" that has entrapped honorable men like Flynn and Papadopolous (sp?). He's repeatedly pushed the entire "witch hunt" conspiracy that Horowitz just called BS on.

    Now...Barr has already stated his belief of a witch hunt. He stated as much BEFORE he took office when writing op-eds lambasting the Mueller investigation as a private citizen. Horowitz on the other other was put into the job without any tranpsarent bias and by all reports was honorable and had integrity(like Mueller) before he reached his conclusions. The posts above by @mchammer show excitement and enthusiasm for the IG report until the conclusions started leaking. If @mchammer has the integrity he so relishes in others that he hopes share his conspiratorial views, he'd simply admit he was wrong.
     
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  15. Seattle Husker

    Seattle Husker 10,000+ Posts

    It come from the months of citing the IG Report as some seminal validation of various conspiracy theories. It didn't happen and @mchammer should be called out for it.
     
  16. Garmel

    Garmel 2,500+ Posts

    We're not even at the finish line yet. If Durham brings the (mc?)hammer then you'll be wrong. It's not mchammer's fault that the IG behaved like your average Democrat.
     
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  17. Garmel

    Garmel 2,500+ Posts

    Yeah, I'm sure Durham will indict people just to help Barr and Trump. :rolleyes1: Quit the conspiracy stuff. Barr is correct that the IG is wrong about many of his conclusions and the truth will come out.
     
  18. Seattle Husker

    Seattle Husker 10,000+ Posts

    No, not about the IG report. He started the IG Report trumpet before Barr had opened the Durham report. The IG Report runs 180 degrees counter to @mchammer 's narrative. This is from the report care of the BBC.
    There were some definite missteps in the way evidence was presented, in particular the FISA warrant applications but Horowitz felt they still would have gotten approval without the errors. Didn't someone post data that only 1 FISA warrant has ever been denied in the history of the process?

    Can you be more partisan-ly lame?
     
  19. Garmel

    Garmel 2,500+ Posts

    Dude, you're one of the worst partisans on here. :p The fact that the FISA was almost completely based on the Dossier it might not have happened. Even McCabe said so. This was not an error by the FBI. They deliberately used the Dossier without verifying it. They were warned not to use it and they did it anyway. That's not an error, mistake, or anything else you want to call it. They deliberately committed premeditated fraud against the FISA court. I'm confident that Durham and Barr will get to the bottom of it. I'm glad Barr and Durham basically said that the IG was full of it.
     
  20. Seattle Husker

    Seattle Husker 10,000+ Posts

    You clearly haven't read the Horowitz report, struggle in reading comprehension or need to expand your media sources to claim the FISA warrants were "almost completely based on the dossier". I'll leave it up to the audience to make their own determination which reason leaves you ignorant to what Horowitz wrote in his 476 page report.
     
  21. Garmel

    Garmel 2,500+ Posts

    Yes, I did. I also go by the FBI agents who said it was. If that contradicts the almighty IG than so be it.
     
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  22. mchammer

    mchammer 5,000+ Posts

    Regarding the abuse of the FISA process as documented by Horowitz, was the FBI crooked, biased or dumb? It can only be those three. Four Americans were spied upon for no good reason, and SH thinks it is ho-hum. Finally, the IG report says Carter and Papadopoulos were spied on by informants like Halper before the dossier was received by the FBI. Durham’s report will cover why the investigation (hoax) started in the first place.
     
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  23. Seattle Husker

    Seattle Husker 10,000+ Posts

    Which FBI agent said that? Which FISA application specifically? Which of the 4 investigations are you referring to?
     
  24. Garmel

    Garmel 2,500+ Posts

    You talk about my reading comprehnsion? LOL! Look above.
     
  25. mchammer

    mchammer 5,000+ Posts

     
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  26. Seattle Husker

    Seattle Husker 10,000+ Posts

    Horowitz said there was ample evidence to open the investigation. I trust the apparatus, especially after an investigation that closely examined the decisions for bias. You were so excited for the IG report for MONTHS now you look to the next investigation. Could it be your OWN bias is the issue here?

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  27. mchammer

    mchammer 5,000+ Posts

    Russian consulate in Miami; Cohen meeting in Prague to name just 2 things.
     
  28. mchammer

    mchammer 5,000+ Posts

    The report said the FBI had exculpatory info on Papadopoulos that was not added to FISA application. That is a felony. Why do I need to apologize?
     
  29. mchammer

    mchammer 5,000+ Posts

    IG report covered FISA abuse. There is an indictment. 4 Americans on the Trump campaign were spied for no reason. Durham is investigating the role of the CIA in starting this fraud.
     
  30. mchammer

    mchammer 5,000+ Posts

    The issue today is FISA abuse and how the FBI got taken in by the Fusion GPS and the Hillary funded dossier. Everything else is avoiding the issue.
     

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