What if it was not the Russians?

Discussion in 'West Mall' started by Horn6721, Dec 13, 2016.

  1. Monahorns

    Monahorns 5,000+ Posts

    You completely confuse the topic we are talking about. I didn't ever say vaccines were only about individuals per se. What I said in that quote was that vaccine mandates force individuals into actions that don't always make sense for them. Children don't need to be vaccinated for any of the reasons you bring up. Medical studies have shown that transmission from children is very remote. Plus the vaccines don't prevent transmission anyway. And the kick is GOOD!

    If you only look at one disease maybe. The difference between vaccinated and unvaccinated is decreasing every day too. But don't be myopic. Insurance companies shouldn't focus on only one thing. They should look at all payouts for all medical care.
     
  2. bystander

    bystander 5,000+ Posts

    Insurance companies are just that; companies. For profit. At risk clients put the company at risk. There are two kinds of at risk clients: what they can't help that happens and what they brought upon themselves. Most of us are in both categories to some degree or another as we all engage in at risk behavior; diet being the main culprit.

    Which client base would one want to cover in order to remain a going concern? All of us mitigate what we can't eliminate. So you either refuse to cover part of the at risk population or you charge more money. From an equitable standpoint, those who make good choices (non-smokers) shouldn't have to pay for those who are reckless.
     
  3. Monahorns

    Monahorns 5,000+ Posts

    I merely have a clear understanding of how much government intervention there is in American markets. Then I use text book definitions to categorize things.

    Just because you have never thought of something in a certain way doesn't mean the other person should be dismissed as crazy.

    Go back and study what fascism was, how it operated, and how that compares to industries in the US today. Think honestly about it for a while. Maybe your eyes will be opened.
     
  4. Seattle Husker

    Seattle Husker 10,000+ Posts

    Transmission is "very remote" and "don't prevent transmission anyway". We're back to if the masks aren't 100% effective than it's 0% effective which could be applied to your vaccine position, correct? This black and white world doesn't exist except in theories. In the real world, some effectiveness helps the overall population get to a reduced risk for all. Yes, children do pass Covid. Maybe not to the degree of adults but they are still carriers and pass it on. Let's take Measles vaccinations for example. Keep in mind, it's ~93% effective, not 100%. 93% effectiveness for every child if all vaccinated though ultimately takes the risk to near zero if you look at the entire population. We know the Covid vaccine ensures your immune system recognizes the virus and is better prepared to fight it in the short and medium term. Short illness periods and less significant dose of the virus in transmission is a boon to everyone around them, including the children.

    Is it? Is it decreasing? Recognizing overall hospitalizations are waning is the difference between vaccinated/unvaccinated hospitalizations equalizing?
     
  5. mchammer

    mchammer 10,000+ Posts

     
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  6. mchammer

    mchammer 10,000+ Posts

  7. Monahorns

    Monahorns 5,000+ Posts

    Do you purposefully misunderstand what I say? I am not saying 0%. I am saying very small. Which means you have to assess the risk based on the actual rates.

    You are accusing me of being binary about the issue, but you are doing the same thing.

    About your last couple of sentences, sure, but people should be allowed to make their own decisions on this issue. There are more factors to consider than just what you said. There are positive and negative factors and those factors hit affect different people to different levels.

    I think so. Most of the data that was published was early on when there were still more unvaccinated people and those vaccinated were so recently. As efficacy wanes and as more data is collected I expect more hospitalizations and/or serious cases of the vaccinated will come to light.
     
  8. mchammer

    mchammer 10,000+ Posts

     
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  9. Garmel

    Garmel 5,000+ Posts

    The FBI is neck deep into this fiasco. I hope Durham does his job.

     
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  10. mchammer

    mchammer 10,000+ Posts

    Sorry, but who is the dumb bîtch on CNN?

     
  11. mchammer

    mchammer 10,000+ Posts

     
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  12. Garmel

    Garmel 5,000+ Posts

    When you see how Flynn was treated in the DC courts and look at this nonsense here it makes you realize just how badly the left has corrupted the entire justice system.
     
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  13. Garmel

    Garmel 5,000+ Posts

    Just curious, @Mr. Deez. Is this the kind of corruption that sets you off? Letting political prisoners rot in jail for a year over trespassing doesn't seem to so I was wondering.
     
  14. Mr. Deez

    Mr. Deez Beer Prophet

    Clinesmith should have gone to jail.

    And what makes you think I'm ok with anybody rotting in jail without being charged? If they're being illegally held, they should seek habeas relief. Just because I don't want to politically latch onto them and don't want to make assclowns like Matt Gaetz and Marjorie Taylor Green my poster children doesn't mean I'm ok with corruption.
     
  15. Horn6721

    Horn6721 10,000+ Posts

    Deez
    So why aren't their lawyers seeking habeas relief?
     
  16. Garmel

    Garmel 5,000+ Posts

    Not only is he not going to jail he has his law license back. Btw, bringing up an injustice to the public eye is not latching onto them.
     
  17. Mr. Deez

    Mr. Deez Beer Prophet

    It would be for us in this situation.
     
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  18. mchammer

    mchammer 10,000+ Posts

  19. horninchicago

    horninchicago 10,000+ Posts

    The never ending Durham thing.

    Yawn. No offense mc. Doubt seriously anything will come of it.
     
  20. mchammer

    mchammer 10,000+ Posts

    Wait until GOP takes over congress for more investigations why FBI and DOJ pursued false allegations that were known to come from Hillary campaign.
     
  21. horninchicago

    horninchicago 10,000+ Posts

    Right. They will get rid of Obamacare again, too. Lots of talk and no action.
     
  22. Garmel

    Garmel 5,000+ Posts

     
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  23. horninchicago

    horninchicago 10,000+ Posts

    This dude is just doing what it takes to keep bilking the folks for a job.
     
  24. Garmel

    Garmel 5,000+ Posts

    He's already indicted two people. Durham isn't the problem, the corrupt nature of the judges in DC who will let there ******* walk are.
     
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  25. mchammer

    mchammer 10,000+ Posts

    3 people. Clinesmith, Danchenko, and the Sussman.

    It’s obvious that Hillary campaign organized the whole thing behind the scenes. Find a loser Russian drunk to source the rumors, find an ex-British spy to write the report, and find GPS Fusion to disseminate the report to media, politicians, and the DOJ/FBI.

    I agree it’s hard to go after government employees except to harass their departments so hard they never do it again.
     
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  26. horninchicago

    horninchicago 10,000+ Posts

    Indicted nobodys.

    Wake me up when he does something newsworthy.
     
  27. horninchicago

    horninchicago 10,000+ Posts

    Hell, he can indict everyone. Hillary or any other big fish will see no punishment for anything whatsoever, so who cares?
     
  28. Garmel

    Garmel 5,000+ Posts

    Oh, I forgot about Dachenko.
     
  29. Garmel

    Garmel 5,000+ Posts

    A lawyer for the FBI investigation is a big deal. Of course he got the corrupt DC treatment.
     
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  30. OUBubba

    OUBubba Reluctant and Bullied Sponsor

    Something smells fishy in St. Petersberg:
     

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