Who or what is the Beast in Revelation?

Discussion in 'Quackenbush's' started by Monahorns, Jun 25, 2021.

  1. Monahorns

    Monahorns 5,000+ Posts

    HHD. Reading Daniel alongside Revelation is requirement to understand things. That and read things as literally as possible.

    But even with that there are many areas of uncertainty. Find things you can pin down and be certain about. Let the other things remain uncertain.
     
  2. X Misn Tx

    X Misn Tx 2,500+ Posts

    when there is prophecy about the future i think there can be more harm than good in deciding some one person is the antiChrist and one specific country is a beast.

    1) you're most likely to be one of many who have done the exact same thing for the last 2000 years ish.

    2) some prophecy is revealed progressively, so what we see in part now may be somewhat different in the future when we can see it all.

    4) some prophecies are so indirect as to not be able to see them for what they are until you are looking back in time (out of Egypt I have called my son...tear down this temple, and I will raise it in 3 days)

    3) a lot of prophecy is intended to motivate readiness, not "i could see the mobil pegasus first coming into Dallas." competition. it's not a contest to see who gets the answers of prophecy first. ftr, it was almost always me who saw the pegasus first. :)

    4) it is a validation to the truth to those who see it after... like the birth of Jesus to the Hebrews (and depending on how you see the tribulation and millennium)

    just my two cents...
    know the characteristics of the good guys and the bad guys. live like you're ready.
     
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  3. Monahorns

    Monahorns 5,000+ Posts

    Did you read the series? I don't name a person or a country. I try to call out the things that are certain about the Beast which the Bible is clear on.

    Then I draw conclusions on those principles found, which as you say, calls us to be ready. It also helps us understand what being ready means and what entities we should be wary of even if the Beast is still thousands of years away.
     
  4. Statalyzer

    Statalyzer 10,000+ Posts

    That was a little interesting regarding 1st Thessalonians 4:3-18. They describe the Rapture as different from the Second Coming, which I can buy as a reasonable possibility.

    But then they use that verse as an example of the former even though it speaks of the "coming of the Lord", and "coming down from heaven". So if that's the case, then the Second Coming is a misnomer; it would have to actually be the Third Coming.

    Additionally, the context of that passage is reassuring people who were asking "What will happen to believers who die?" And the answer was that at some moment, they'll all rise to life be with Jesus, followed immediately by the ones who were already alive, and they'll all be that way forever. That doesn't much suggest any sort of Rapture event but does suggest the end of the age.
     
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  5. Monahorns

    Monahorns 5,000+ Posts

    I agree Statalyzer. The idea of a Pre-Tribulation rapture is associated with some crazy groups and incorrect prophecies in the 1800s. 1 Thessalonians 4 is most likely about the 2nd coming of Christ not a half-way return in the sky just to bring Christians into heaven. You can combine 1 Thessalonians 4 with Matthew 24-25 and the picture becomes a bit clearer.
     
  6. BevoJoe

    BevoJoe 10,000+ Posts

    "The beast was given a mouth to utter proud words and blasphemies and to exercise its authority for forty-two months."

    The "42 months" is close to a president's term in office which is 48. Just an observation.
     
  7. Monahorns

    Monahorns 5,000+ Posts

    I hadn't thought about it that way. But 3.5 years for the Antichrist is all over the Old and New Testaments. It sounds like it is linked to a 7 year treaty that is broken midway through. This doesn't align with an American Presidency. However, we are in tumultuous times and who knows where we end up.
     
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  8. Sangre Naranjada

    Sangre Naranjada 10,000+ Posts

    I think the beast is my next door neighbor, but I live at 668 E Broadway, so...
     
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  9. Monahorns

    Monahorns 5,000+ Posts

    Is that in Lubbock? My parents used to live on Broadway in Lubbock down the road from Tech.
     
  10. Monahorns

    Monahorns 5,000+ Posts

    Here is another link to the Beast: the global sanctions regime against Russia. This parallel can't be taken too far, but the drive to cut dissenters off from the market is the spirit of AntiChrist. That means the US and EU are acting from the inspiration of the spirit of the AntiChrist when Western corporations end all business in Russia and cut them off from the global banking system. According to Daniel the AntiChrist or Beast rules a kind of reconstituted Roman Empire. So the patterns fit together.

    Of course the most clear example of this spirit of AntiChrist is the Chinese social credit score. That is more in line with the principle. Still Canada has acted similarly against the Trucker Convoy, and now the US led sanctions against Russia.
     
  11. Statalyzer

    Statalyzer 10,000+ Posts

    So many things are close to 42 months that we could make it appear to be anything we wanted. I recall reading a book quite a while back that claimed most of Revelation was about the USA and WW2. At one point it noted that 12/7/41 to 5/7/45 is exactly 42 months. Almost sounded convincing until I realized he was using the Pacific War for the start date and the European War for the end date.
     
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  12. Monahorns

    Monahorns 5,000+ Posts

    The 7 years and the 3.5 years comes out of Daniel 9. You have to understand the time period in context of where the time periods are mentioned. Also the time is related to a treaty and Jerusalem temple worship, not a war or a politicians term length
     

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