Winter Storms and our 3rd World Electric System

Discussion in 'West Mall' started by Chop, Nov 24, 2021.

  1. Chop

    Chop 10,000+ Posts

    I think I know the answer to your question…
  2. OUBubba

    OUBubba Reluctant and Bullied Sponsor

    This third world **** doesn’t happen in moblihoma. My electric costs $200/mo and I get fiber optic internet for $55 through them.
  3. Horn2RunAgain

    Horn2RunAgain 2,500+ Posts

    My electric & gas combined bill is the same as yours. Fiber optic internet is $65.
  4. Vol Horn 4 Life

    Vol Horn 4 Life 5,000+ Posts

    Great, we will be sure to refer the 1,000 per day californian invaders and 2,000 illegals crossing the border a day to Oklahoma. I'm really curious more about water supplies than electricity. Just a matter of time until all the incoming idiots drain all of our aquifers.
  5. Garmel

    Garmel 5,000+ Posts

    That's the problem. We're quickly outgrowing our infrastructure. Okies have no electricity problems because nobody wants to live in that ********.
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  6. Sangre Naranjada

    Sangre Naranjada 10,000+ Posts

    Where did you find Willie Brown's wallet photo of Quemala?
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  7. Monahorns

    Monahorns 5,000+ Posts

    That is part of it. So is an anti-human and development mind set in those who hold power. I think Abbott is making money off of renewable advocacy. The wind and solar companies are getting a large amount of government dollars.
  8. Monahorns

    Monahorns 5,000+ Posts

    That and Texas has actively shut down power plants that weren't at full life time yet. That and they won't build more.
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  9. mb227

    mb227 de Plorable

    It was a problem created apparently by two things: ONE company having issues (Oncor) and the fact that the State was only getting 17% output from the wind-based generation facilities.

    Maybe, and I am just spitballing here, reliance on wind and solar is not all it is cracked up to be...
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  10. SabreHorn

    SabreHorn 10,000+ Posts


    There is a reason a group has owned the lease for wind turbines off SPI and haven't built anything in over a decade.

    Are you old enough to remember Jimmy Carter's favorite words - "the more plentiful coal"? :soapbox:
  11. bystander

    bystander 10,000+ Posts

    A portfolio approach with more than just a nod toward reducing CO2 or methane into the atmosphere sounds good in theory.

    There are three things that are critical in our sources of energy:

    1) Safety
    2) Reliability
    3) Affordability

    As a society, we've added a fourth:

    4) Environmentally friendly

    You could make a complete speech or brief about all four of those items but in the end, what we want is that heat or air-conditioning on demand. Too many things go wrong (including the loss of lives) when it's not available.

    There is a sweet spot somewhere but what I'm hoping is that the renewables are more hedge than primary.

    The argument could be made that our renewable portion of the portfolio was at fault if we substituted renewables for natural gas. Of course, natural gas is not 100% reliable but if you substitute something that is even less reliable then what is at fault?

    In the end, the primary source of electrical generation power should be the most reliable method we have. But it must be safe. And it must be affordable. And it must not pollute the environment.

    T'aint easy.
  12. SabreHorn

    SabreHorn 10,000+ Posts

    Start by eliminating tires from all cars & trucks, then all playing surfaces return to grass, wood, concrete. Ain't happening, particularly when the federal government wants to bury tires, which take only about 50,000 years to dissolve all the while they leach oil into the ground and methane gas into the air.

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  13. Mr. Deez

    Mr. Deez Beer Prophet

    I literally laughed out loud at this.
  14. mb227

    mb227 de Plorable

    Yes...and old enough to remember the seam that is STILL burning in Centralia and basically killed a town because it burned so hot.
  15. Crockett

    Crockett 5,000+ Posts

    That a m uch better deal than o get in Lewisville Texas.
  16. OUBubba

    OUBubba Reluctant and Bullied Sponsor

    My trailer is well insulated. I do have the oldest and smallest house in our little 40 lot rural subdivision. We also had a kitchen fire in 2016 (thanks obama!) and we got to get new sprayed insulation in the attic. Two thumbs up!

    It's an electric co-op. They do an outstanding job.
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  17. Statalyzer

    Statalyzer 10,000+ Posts

    Also, having it get super hot in May-September is routine here. At least two Februaries ago we sort of had the "well it never gets that cold for that long here" reason. Any crap about well it's hotter than usual is just a ******** excuse. We know it's going to get really damn hot pretty much every summer and there is no possible reason short of incompetence that we wouldn't be prepared for it.
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  18. mb227

    mb227 de Plorable

    If the left would get off of their demands for all of the restrictions on functional means of power generation, the problem would be mitigated. Instead, they demand we move to a reliance on crap like wind which, based on the Friday table, was generating only 17% of its capacity, which tends to suggest that reliance on wind is NOT going to be the be-all, end-all that the anti-coal, anti-oil, anti-nuclear crowds believe it to be...
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  19. Garmel

    Garmel 5,000+ Posts

    It isn't just Texas, folks. We'll have issues until the schools let out.

  20. mb227

    mb227 de Plorable

    I sincerely hope that some of the Republican candidates for office seize on this to point out that the national grid is arguably in worse shape, risk wise, than is the ERCOT grid...and the national grid is what Beta wants to attach Texas to.
  21. OUBubba

    OUBubba Reluctant and Bullied Sponsor

    Can you link that? That’s an area of curiosity for me.
  22. mb227

    mb227 de Plorable

    Besides the MISO request a few posts up, I think it was Barrons or Reuters that just did an article. I also saw a few articles which try to shift blame to aging infrastructure, but there was also comment about the push away from coal/gas to wind/solar being problematic (something we ALSO just saw last week when the ERCOT tables showed the Texas wind equipment only operating at a 17% efficiency/capacity compared to capabilities).

    It was just within the past few days, so Google should not have buried it too deep yet...try as they might.
  23. Garmel

    Garmel 5,000+ Posts

    Remember, he has me on ignore so he can't see that MISO post.
  24. guy4321

    guy4321 1,000+ Posts

    Is this what you need?
  25. mb227

    mb227 de Plorable

    Should also add that MISO was not limited to the one alert...they had put one out the previous week.
  26. Garmel

    Garmel 5,000+ Posts

    Man, that whole Texas narrative is now dead, isn't it? These states don't even have our population (except for Cal) and many of them don't have our heat either.

  27. Monahorns

    Monahorns 5,000+ Posts

    The only answer to build more gas and coal plants. Then elect reps who will strike down a majority of the nuclear energy regulations to get development and construction to a reasonable cost.
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  28. Sangre Naranjada

    Sangre Naranjada 10,000+ Posts

    Balls to the wall on nuclear!
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  29. lkainer

    lkainer 500+ Posts

    Brandon wants more windmills!
  30. mb227

    mb227 de Plorable

    which SHOULD tell everyone it is a failed concept...the ONLY thing this regime has done positive is show the nation why you don't vote against someone because of tweets. Every other policy decision has been nothing short of abject failure...
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