zogby now has Mcain up....

Discussion in 'West Mall' started by mop, Aug 30, 2008.

  1. mop

    mop 2,500+ Posts

    while Gallup still has an 8 pt lead for Obama:


    zogby poll
     
  2. Summerof79

    Summerof79 2,500+ Posts

    Zogby's Electoral has Obama leading 260 to McCain's 172, with 105 toss ups. of the tossups,McCain leads solely in New Hampshire with it's 4 electoral votesfor what it's worth.[​IMG] The Link
     
  3. parkerco

    parkerco 500+ Posts

    None of the purple states on that map have been updated since last week, and many are still from July. It will be interesting to see what that looks like with numbers post Palin selection and DNC convention.
     
  4. Summerof79

    Summerof79 2,500+ Posts

    Yeah I knew some of the figures were old, and Zogby is usually pretty good along with rassmuesen.

    All in flucx until after the GOp convention which to me will again give a baseline wothy of evaluation. Plus I think the survey listed was of adults rather than likley or registered voters. Look at next weekends poll for a better baseline.
     
  5. Whitman Mayo

    Whitman Mayo 500+ Posts

    Once it is updated with Palin's bait shack customers and the Yukima Eskimo faction she is going to pull......LOOK OUT!!!

    Genius pick
    -Geraldine Ferraro.
     
  6. MaduroUTMB

    MaduroUTMB 2,500+ Posts

    I'd expect BHO to take NV, CO, the tossups in the Midwest and at least one of SC, NC and VA if not two. McCain carries the West and probably VA.
     
  7. saahorn

    saahorn 250+ Posts

    Zogby had Obama winning California, New Jersey, and Massachusets in the primaries. By a lot. And he lost by a lot. He also had Kerry winning 2004 in a landslide - including winning Virginia - which he lost by a lot. I wouldn't put a lot of stock in Zogby right now.
     
  8. groverat

    groverat 2,500+ Posts

    Zogby is terrible.
    Zogby Interactive is a terrible joke.
     
  9. Summerof79

    Summerof79 2,500+ Posts

    to be honest Zogby was pretty good in 2004 and that was what I was basing my opinion on. So he could be off his game to be certain, as the only pollster having McCain up.
     
  10. OrangeChipper

    OrangeChipper 1,000+ Posts

    Again, Grove is completely uninformed. Zogby was THE pollster to get it right in 2004.
     
  11. blueglasshorse

    blueglasshorse 1,000+ Posts

    Polls are sooooooo easy to manipulate.

    Here's an example. The question Zogby asked was "Does the selection of Sarah Palin help or hurt John McCain's chances of winning the presidential election in November?" It didn't ask if the person they were talking to was going to vote for McCain. This questions asked people how they thought OTHERS would react.

    What this poll DOES indicate is that more than half of Americans think OTHER Americans will like the pick. I would have probably answered the same way.

    A subtle but important difference, I think.
     
  12. washparkhorn

    washparkhorn 2,500+ Posts

    Good analysis of why Zogby polls are "loopy" (sent to me by our resident expert on polling) --


     

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