Ethanol and HIgher Commodity Prices

Discussion in 'West Mall' started by Musburger, Jan 15, 2011.

  1. Musburger

    Musburger 500+ Posts

    Jim Quinn penned an article worth taking a look at (link).

    The article breaks down the statistics of producing ethanol, who wins, and who loses. Unless you have stakes in Big Oil, Big Ag, or grain futures, you're one of the billions of losers.

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  2. NEWDOC2002

    NEWDOC2002 1,000+ Posts

    I just love feeling like a frickin drone for my politicians. How can I even be sure this new crop won't do the same??????
     
  3. Oilfield

    Oilfield Guest

    But it is green and it will save the planet. Right?
     
  4. Giovanni Jones

    Giovanni Jones 2,500+ Posts

    My relatives in Iowa love ethanol and they like politicians who support ethanol. I live to see the day when a candidate for POTUS has the guts to speak out against ethanol subsidies during the Iowa caucuses.
     
  5. Horn6721

    Horn6721 10,000+ Posts

    Mushburger
    I remember you posting on the unintended consequences of using corn for ethanol years ago

    We have seen some effects here but not like they have in other parts of the world. It looks like unintended is about to bite us in the butt
     
  6. overmaars

    overmaars 1,000+ Posts

    Switchgrass baby, switchgrass!
     
  7. MaduroUTMB

    MaduroUTMB 2,500+ Posts

    If you could use magic to make an 80/20 solution of ethanol and water from thin and and good vibes, it would still be a ****** fuel.

    You have to boil 4 gallons of water and 1 of ethanol for every gallon of fuel you get. That is called a "negative energy balance", which is code for "just use the boiler fuel directly instead."
     
  8. dheiman

    dheiman 1,000+ Posts

    Forget the inefficiencies of ethanol. (although many to choose from)
    The bigger problem is the corrosive nature of the mixed fluid. I work in the petro industry and when all stations are forced to house e15, the fan will be hit. Thousands of stations will likely close down because current storing and dispensing equipment will not be capable of housing e15, and most can't afford to fully replace. This will cost a lot more than nickels and dimes at the pump.

    politicians = idiots
     
  9. HornBud

    HornBud 2,500+ Posts


     
  10. mcbrett

    mcbrett 2,500+ Posts


     
  11. THEU

    THEU 2,500+ Posts

    I am still thinking it will either be algae based oil, and then eventually hydrogen powered cars.
     
  12. Namewithheld

    Namewithheld 2,500+ Posts


     
  13. Namewithheld

    Namewithheld 2,500+ Posts


     
  14. Giovanni Jones

    Giovanni Jones 2,500+ Posts


     
  15. mcbrett

    mcbrett 2,500+ Posts

    Anytime a politician wants something, they say it will kill jobs if you don't agree with them.
     
  16. msdw24

    msdw24 1,000+ Posts


     

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