Heisman power - RGIII last game?

Discussion in 'On The Field' started by Olehornfan, Dec 14, 2011.

  1. Olehornfan

    Olehornfan 2,500+ Posts

    If RGIII does not declare for the NFL it would be a big mistake.

    The Alamo bowl is bringing in temporary seats. I just do not think Baylor vs Washington would have sold out but the Heisman sure has caused a scramble for tickets.

    I purchased tickets thinking we would beat Baylor. Guess I get to see RG play his last colllege game.
     
  2. FWHORN

    FWHORN 10,000+ Posts

    He is gone. He already has his degree, he lost a year to injury once before and he will never have better hype than now. Only reason to come back is to win an NC and even the most die hard BU fan would admit that is a pipe dream so go pro and cash in young man.
     
  3. bck031

    bck031 1,000+ Posts

    I wonder who his agent is? [​IMG]
     
  4. Bill in Sinton

    Bill in Sinton 5,000+ Posts

    I agree he should go pro because of the money. If Baylor had a chance for an NC I could almost see him staying but that is unrealistic even though the Bears could have a top ten team. That is why (if they got injury insurance of course) I could see Andrew Luck staying at Staford an extra year and the same with Sam Bradford at OU and Tim Tebow at Florida. It is selfish but I sometimes wish VY had stayed at UT in 2006.
     
  5. Son of a Son

    Son of a Son 1,000+ Posts

    Call me silly, but the man is completing his Master's and wants a PHD. Long term he'll make more money outside of football. He can get another year paid for. I think it's 50/50 or better that he stays.
     
  6. l00p

    l00p 10,000+ Posts

    Who is coming out next year? Is he sure he would be drafted before Andrew Luck and what's his face from Southern Cal? There was discussion on the radio about this from an NFL "insider" or scout type who put this forth.

    Barring injury his stock would go up provided that he did not flat out collapse in his numbers. His combine, interviews and tests would be great and with less competition. That one year away could translate into a much higher draft pick, up front money and as mentioned above he would be one year further in his studies. Those seem to be important to him.

    I can see it going either way and would understand either decision as they both have merit. Question is, to what extent does each scenario have to him?
     
  7. general35

    general35 5,000+ Posts

    Long term he'll make more money outside of football.
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    well, i'm not math genius or anything but i know quite a few doctors that make just over 150k a year after all of their expenses, insurance, etc.are paid for....RG III can pull in 10 million signing bonus and a another 30 million contract for being a top 10 pick so i think he is better off playing football.
     
  8. Lester Long

    Lester Long 25+ Posts

    Like someone said above, just the guaranteed money alone from his initial deal will be huge. Throw in how much Madison Avenue is going to love this kid and he will make a ton of ancillary dollars. And a top flight QB making it to his second contract will be 20-40 mil guaranteed and a bunch more if he hits certain attainable markers. No way can he make that kind of money in the "real" world and that's no knock on his smarts. He has the chance to be a Magic Johnson type... talented, likeable and charming.
     
  9. Third Coast

    Third Coast 10,000+ Posts

    He'll probably make more money off the RG3 action figure complete with cape, than he ever could outside of football.
     
  10. l00p

    l00p 10,000+ Posts

    Is he a lottery pick? The signing bonus goes down a good amount after the first couple of picks. Isn't he the third qb forecast to be drafted?
     
  11. halsteadfrost

    halsteadfrost 1,000+ Posts

    I haven't really seen anybody that ranks him above Luck or Barkley, but I think he's still universally considered a 1st rd pick. With little chance of a National Championship run, I don't know how much he'll be able to improve his stock next year. He might as well leave now, bank his money and then get his PHD afterward. I believe he's going to earn his masters this Dec, so it's not like he'll have much more schooling once his playing career is over anyway.
     
  12. Lester Long

    Lester Long 25+ Posts

    There's no lottery in the NFL but he's projected in the top 10 by most and top 5 by many. With Cam Newton's success, some teams will rate him higher than Luck and/or Barkley. Plus, he's going to wow them at the combine.
     
  13. HornsForever'93

    HornsForever'93 1,000+ Posts

    There is no lottery in football. But he will in my opinion be a lower first round pick
     
  14. agssuk

    agssuk 1,000+ Posts


     
  15. Lester Long

    Lester Long 25+ Posts

  16. l00p

    l00p 10,000+ Posts

    As a Redskins fan I like the second one! What is the difference in signing bonus between the top 3 and lesser picks? If he is a top ten pick he really does need to go. I am just saying that I have heard people whose job it is to predict things say he is a late round pick. There is so much more to happen such as the combine and interviews and I think he crushes them.

    We just have to see. If he is to be a late round pick it won't shock me to see him stay. He could make up what he loses this year and then some with a higher signing bonus and contract. Just saying. I don't envy his decision.
     
  17. l00p

    l00p 10,000+ Posts

    This is last years first round. I don't know how it changed with the new contract.



    Pk Player Pos. Team Status Contract
    1. Cam Newton QB Carolina Signed Four years, $22M guaranteed
    2. Von Miller LB Denver Signed Four years, $21M guaranteed
    3. Marcell Dareus DT Buffalo Signed Four years, $20.4M guaranteed
    4. A.J. Green WR Cincinnati Signed Four years, $19.6M
    5. Patrick Peterson CB Arizona Signed Four years, $18.5M
    6. Julio Jones WR Atlanta Signed Four years, $16.2M guaranteed
    7. Aldon Smith DE San Francisco Signed Four years, $14.3M
    8. Jake Locker QB Tennessee Signed Four years, $12M
    9. Tyron Smith OT Dallas Signed Four years, $12.5M guaranteed
    10. Blaine Gabbert QB Jacksonville Signed Four years, $12M guaranteed
    11. J.J. Watt DE Houston Signed Undisclosed
    12. Christian Ponder QB Minnesota Signed Undisclosed
    13. Nick Fairley DT Detroit Signed Four years, $10M guaranteed
    14. Robert Quinn DE St. Louis Signed Four years, undisclosed money
    15. Mike Pouncey C Miami Signed Undisclosed
    16. Ryan Kerrigan DE Washington Signed Undisclosed
    17. Nate Solder OT New England Signed Undisclosed
    18. Corey Liuget DT San Diego Signed Four years, undisclosed money
    19. Prince Amukamara CB N.Y. Giants Signed Four years, undisclosed money
    20. Adrian Clayborn DE Tampa Bay Signed Four years, $8.2M
    21. Phil Taylor DT Cleveland Signed Undisclosed
    22. Anthony Castonzo OT Indianapolis Signed Undisclosed
    23. Danny Watkins G Philadelphia Signed Four years, undisclosed money
    24. Cameron Jordan DE New Orleans Signed Four years, $7.7M
    25. James Carpenter OT Seattle Signed Undisclosed
    26. Jonathan Baldwin WR Kansas City Signed Four years, $7.55M
    27. Jimmy Smith CB Baltimore Signed Four years, $7.46M guaranteed
    28. Mark Ingram RB New Orleans Signed Four years, $7.41M
    29. Gabe Carimi OT Chicago Signed Four years, $7.06M
    30. Muhammad Wilkerson DT N.Y. Jets Signed Four years, undisclosed money
    31. Cam Heyward DT Pittsburgh Signed Four years, $6.7M
    32. Derek Sherrod OT Green Bay Signed Four years, $6.6M
     
  18. midwayhorn

    midwayhorn 100+ Posts

    No they wont.




    If he comes back, they will be preseason Top 10. Maybe Top 5.
     
  19. #2is#1

    #2is#1 1,000+ Posts

    What's a year of your life worth? A chance to be the BMOC for one more year, continue education, and have a blast. The life of an NFL QB is work, we all would love to do that job, but that is what it is, a job. Huge pressure to win now.
    Why not go back? The money will still be there in 2013. Maybe #1 overall.
    I wonder if you were to ask VY in private if he could do it all over again what would he say?
    Remember who was #1 the year after VY left? Jamarcus Russell
     
  20. OldOrangeOne

    OldOrangeOne 100+ Posts

    There's also talk about the Olympics. He's supposed to have a legitimate shot to make the Olympic team as a hurdler but would require a year of training minimum. RG is a smart kid. The kind of smart that might allow him to do something that none of us would expect. Obviously most of us would take the NFL money and run but RG definately ain't most of us. I certainly would not say that playing for another year or even going for the Olympic team would be out of the question for this kid.

    God, would he be looking good right now having wore the Burnt Orange?!?

    Sigh.
     
  21. l00p

    l00p 10,000+ Posts

    Would he have wanted to sit a couple years behind Colt or at all or did he want to start right away? Did he want to go to a place to start right away and let him play qb? I am curious about that too. I like to think more about the kids we did get rather than may or may not have missed out on for whatever reason.
     
  22. agssuk

    agssuk 1,000+ Posts

    Well midway, how did that work out for aggy?
     
  23. 314

    314 250+ Posts

    Only an idiot will think he will make more money off non-football related pursuits.
     
  24. OldOrangeOne

    OldOrangeOne 100+ Posts


     
  25. BevoJoe

    BevoJoe 10,000+ Posts

    After what happened to Sam Bradford when he came back for one more season, RGIII would be better off getting the best deal now. Stay for no pay and get hurt could lower his draft status or worse, end his career for good.

    Take the money kid!!
     
  26. Joe2005

    Joe2005 500+ Posts


     
  27. djack

    djack 100+ Posts

    And what happened to Bradford in relation to his draft stock?

    Name the last collegiate player you remember having a career ending injury that was a supposed 1st round pick the year before the injury.

    The second contract argument, in my opinion, is not valid as to whether he should return or not. I think you could make an argument that leaving too early costs more players a big second contract.

    Also, let's not get caught up in pre-draft rankings of these guys and discuss how they fell because they stayed a year longer. Much of the fall is because the true evaluation begins after it is known the player is officially in the draft. You can use Leinart as your example of how a guy falls, and I would argue that many teams simply were not thrilled with his skill set.

    Griffin will likely get his money whether he comes out or not. From an achievement standpoint, which would seem important to him, is he better served by returning and enhancing his skills or is he ready to be thrown to the fire now? He can make more money long term by staying another year. But he also could make money leaving now. Absolutely no way to know which is more likely.

    If you knew in advance you would be Payton Manning or Ryan Leaf in the NFL, which would you choose? You could suck like Leaf with a poor legacy but get your money or you could be one of the greatest of all time and get your money. In my opinion, the simple minded answer is take the Ryan Leaf option because there is a little less risk from a monetary standpoint. The Manning option is not necessarily the wrong option but maybe the one that gives you the greatest opportunity for the most achievement.

    At this point, I would say RGIII is more akin to VY than Manning. He could show a little more in the 4th quarter. He can work on his intermediate game. He can work on clock management. He can achieve when the pressure is on - against us at home was the most pressure he had. He should be Manning and come back.
     
  28. goredho

    goredho 100+ Posts

    5 million at 20 is worth more than 20 million earned over 40 years (compounding interest).
     
  29. #2is#1

    #2is#1 1,000+ Posts

    Again, what is a year of your life worth? A chance to be the BMOC, live the life of a legend, get better, have the game slow down, and truly enjoy your youth. You have the rest of your life to have a "job" enjoy school.
     
  30. Statalyzer

    Statalyzer 10,000+ Posts

    Who do they return on offense? He'll have a shot at winning a 2nd Heisman. Although because of the "Don't want the same guy to win it twice" backlash, he'd probably have to improve on this season's performance and Baylor would probably have to improve as well, which would mean somehow acquiring a defense.
     

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