What do you think about the Casey Horny hire?

Do you think his hiring will have a (temporary, albeit) negative effect or are there no issues?

 

A higher risk but since he isn't "public facing" one that can be taken if that is what the head man wants.

 

Who is he?

 

bio:

http://www.hookem.com/2017/01/11/former-baylor-staffer-casey-horny-rejoining-tom-herman-texas/

 

I don't understand why it is so hard to say, "I'm not hiring any of Art's coaches."

Period.

Mensa = Tone deaf?

 

Big mistake by our genius.

 

Really do not know anything about the guy, and didn't learn much from that link, but is the concept that no one on the former Baylor staff should ever be able to work again anywhere? Some HF posters are a bit extreme, I think. I remember we had people last year who said that we shouldn't take Devornay or Hudson because somehow they were complicit in rape at Baylor for having initially committed there. Do you really think they had a big coaches and players meeting to decide to allow rape in Waco, and voted on it, and they all raised their hands? Would we never take someone off the OU staff?

 

Why, why, why bring the stigma of the Briles situation into the UT program--and for a QC coach? Big fail for Herman, who gave his buddy a break at the expense of the university

 

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I think the issue is Horny's enthusiastic support of Briles, not just his being on the staff

 

Don't move the goal posts. I don't think anybody is saying they should never work again; just not here. There is no point in hiring people who think Art walked on water and apparently were blinded by something while at Baylor. You can find other coaches.

Most folks on this fine site rightfully ripped Baylor over this. We've already benefitted in picking up some of their recruits. Why then hire one of their former coaches who was close to the problem? It makes no sense. It's hypocritical on some levels.

 

That's pretty funny. Jay Norvell might argue with that. So would Mack Brown and Darrel Royal for that matter.

 

This dude was a background analyst at Baylor and was hired as a background analyst at Texas. Should there be a ban on Baylor cafeteria staff that served Briles potatoes from working in the Jester cafeteria?

Unless there is some evidence this background dude was actually directly involved with anything (beyond just working at Baylor), I do not see a problem with him being hired as a background analyst here. From what I have read, these quality control coaches just watch film and draw up plays. It is not like we hired Kendall Briles as our OC.

We currently live in a time period where the internet causes people to make mountains out of molehills and take illogical extreme (never/always) positions.

This guy also went to UT and Herman personally knows him/worked with him before.

 

I'll ignore the snide remark. He apparently tweeted big support for Briles and it's a mistake to hire anyone who was at Baylor and was involved with the football team. Period. Keep it clean. This is a similar issue as the appearance of a conflict of interest. If you have to explain it to everyone then it's not worth it. It will be used against you.

"TEXAS HIRED A BAYLOR COACH WHO WORKED FOR BRILES!!!"

Get people to deny the problem. That is the whole problem right there.

It's like the old anecdote of LBJ wanting to put out a press release saying his opponent molested children. He was told that wasn't true but he said, "I know, I just want to see him have to deny it on tv."

True or not; it's the cynicism we live in and it will fuel negative recruiting. We shouldn't act like we know better. That's the good old Texas arrogance biting you in the ***.

 

Sterlin Gilbert worked for Briles at Houston. I guess he should have been crucified too.

You keep calling him a coach, but he was a background staffer and he is a background staffer.

What is your position on Warner van Braun? Did you know he developed rockets as a scientist for the S.S. that hit civilians in London? I assume you feel NASA hiring him was terrible?

This guy reviewed film for Baylor and has been hired to review film here. I think most penn state fans are idiotic for supporting paterno, but I get that most had no idea and have trouble believing it and I would not refuse to hire a penn state fan that had nothing to do with it just because he has misguided and stupid personal beliefs. Most, if not all, human beings have at least one, stupid misguided opinion.

Find me something saying this guy was actually involved with anything and was not a misguided staffer? Also, I will gladly turn someone guilty over to the mob, but I am not jumping in a witch hunt of anyone remotely associated with Briles without proof just because. Mountains out of molehills.

 

I'm with Htown

 

You are really going off the deep-end. Gilbert was questioned around here for his comments lauding Briles.

And that Nazi should have been burned alive.

I'm not impressed at all by your hysterical false equivalent arguments. It doesn't mean anything to bring up janitors or Nazi's. Why do you go all in when in your words, this guy is just an analyst?

 

yeah, seems like a nonissue to me.

 

And yet Nazi's were brought up. That indicates too much of an emotional attachment...

He's just an analyst. But the questions that will be raised by this low-level coaching hire go much further than the upside of the hire. The chicken-**** but highly effective negative recruiting crowd have been given ammunition for no equal pay-off for Texas.

 

Every article I have read about him and quality control coaches indicates they watch film and do background staffer work. I have not seen anything to indicate that this guy's role will be anything more than just an analyst. If there is some indication he was involved in the scandal, my opinion would change

You are thinking of when someone calls someone else a nazi in an internet argument. I did not do that. I tried to use analogies to explain my point that background staffers are different than perpetrators. Example, if a terrorist calls an uber to the airport, the uber driver is not responsible for what the terrorist does. I started with Baylor cafeteria workers. Then I used a famous historical figure, warner van braun, as an example (which you interpreted to be the same as someone getting angry and calling people nazis i guess?), and then I used a college football situation with Penn State. I agree that everyone that knew what sandusky was doing and enabled him and there is proof, aka Paterno, is bad. Everyone that was unaware (fans, penn state background analysists) and misguidedly defends Paterno is misguided and needs to face reality, but should not be barred from employment for failure to accept the truth. Read news articles anytime there is a mass shooting/terror attack. What do family and friends usually insist? They say the accusations are lies and conspiracies and defend the person. Ive lived with a s*** person (not a criminal or anything like that, just s*** person), that I did not realize thery were s*** person until after a year and a half of living with them and would have never realized it had I not lived with them.

As for Herman, I am not a Herman guy. I wanted Fedora (though based on that Sun Bowl, my belief in Fedora's coaching ability may have been misguided). I also do not like Herman kissing players. That said, like Strong or anyone else, I will root for Herman to win every game, will praise when he should be praised and will admonish when he should be admonished. This is a non story the media has made a big deal about to have something to write about now that football is over.

No one is going to remember or care a month from now that Herman has someone on his staff watching game film that used to watch game film for Briles. You are making a bigger deal of it than it is. If we had hired, say, Kendall Briles, then your posts would be more appropriate.

*upon further review, i never even used the word "nazi" in my original post and it was quite warner van braun specific.

 

The sad part of all of this is this nobody staffer that probably did not do anything is probably getting raked over the coals harder by the media at Texas than the actual conspirators and perpetrators in the Baylor scandal wherever they have ended up. That is usually how it goes though I guess.

 

What do I think? Well, him coming from Baylor with the last name of "Horny" says it all.

 

My 2 cents:
If it weren't for the tweets I would have no problem with the hire. He is not guilty by association. HOWEVER he was apparently close enough to Briles to put his reputation on the line for him with those tweets, in which case I strongly question the guy's character (and/or intelligence).

The rest of TH's hires don't have this kind of stank on them, so I am not too worried though. One position analyst does not a culture make. I hope TH grilled him about this and made it clear we won't tolerate even a whiff of rape culture here.

 

It does not get the same coverage, but TH is a core values guy too. He knew the guy when they were together at Texas, and I would hope he grilled him. Were the tweets recent or from awhile ago? Do we know if this person's opinion changed since more of the Briles reports came out? Maybe Herman asked him and he said he regretted those tweets. Maybe Herman asked him and he did not regret those tweets. I do not know. This staffer is really not high enough on the food chain (at either place) for the public to demand answers so all we can do is hope Herman made the right decision and go on unless something otherwise surfaces.

My guess is this staffer will be so far in the background we will not even been aware of when he leaves for his next job.

 

An analyst has no direct contact with players, right? Plus, our knowledge of the Baylor/Briles situation is one sided with no cross examination. There is a stink ... but I think in this case we can wash it off.

 

That is my understanding from the articles I have read. However, the whole analyst thing is how coaches are currently bending NCAA rules and I do not know how it works in practice. Like I said, I have read articles from credible reporters (not chip brown), but without any experience on a modern coaching staff with analysts, I really do not know.

I remember that Greg Robinson was an analyst and when he came in after Diaz was fired, he said he was meeting the players for the first time and trying to meet players and learn names was a huge challenge with the Ole Miss game just 6 days away.

 

I am not related in any way to Casey Horny.

 

The base cause for this over-reach in condemnation (besides a general tendency to exaggerate things) is that we know
1) that someone in the power structure (at least Briles) of the Baylor football team was very lax to take some players with problematic pasts {pretty common, not preferred, but not that awful, really};
2) someone (else?) apparently leaned on victim complainant girls who were trying to make accusations, and generally favored the players in reaction to the criminal side of things, right up to the rape conviction {depending on the exact circumstances, perhaps blundering and blindly hopeful but more likely sociopathic evil};
3) BUT, we don't know (which is Baylor's fault) who was involved. So, without any specific names to focus our outrage, we tend to shoot with a shotgun.

Some things are not as they appear. For example, I recently heard, which makes sense and I never thought of it, that Jameis Winston did not shoplift crab legs from the grocery store, but instead had friends/fans who worked there and just let him go without paying. They wanted to do him a favor because of his status. Then, when caught, he didn't want to name them or call them out. So, he was guilty of something, sure, but perhaps not a compulsive thief who puts seafood under his coat.

Here, since we have no information, we just do not know. For example, was Kendall Briles guilty and his father was trying to protect him, or vice versa? Was there a fringy guy who hung around the program who would "fix" things and he got out of control? Who knows? If full facts came out and the perpetrators were 100% ID'd and it did not involve Kendall Briles, I would not taint him with his father's crimes. Not knowing any specifics, however, he is high enough and close enough to the top that my default assumption is that he was involved until proven otherwise. With this Horny fellow, my default position would be that he was completely uninvolved until some evidence contradicted that.

Putting out a tweet that "truthdontlie" (who disagrees with that?), which was, according to the article "viewed as a sign of support for Briles,"--that seems pretty thin evidence to change my default position and assumption.

 

He had to delete several tweets defending Briles.
One as late as November.
We didn't need him and shouldn't have hired him.

 

The only problem with hiring this guy is that the media and many in society are a bunch of liberal ****weeds who will cast stones even though their houses are made of no better, and in some cases , worse material.
You can bet that a good majority of the Briles' staff had no idea of what was going on at Baylor, to the extent they should not work at UT....For all we really know Briles may have been a scapegoat in the matter. We don't really know.
Some of you would be ,"OMG." about what some coaches at UT knew and covered up over the years....Texas is like any other university. We want to act like all is pure silk, but there is a sow's ear hidden there as well. If you want to deny it, just go ahead and keep your head in the sand. Cleve Bryant ring a bell ???? He was one of Mack's buds, and that crap went on for a while....So should everyone associated with that mess be blackballed, including Mack, who knew about it ???? yes I understand the Baylor deal was on a grand scale compared to Bryant, but still......a sin is a sin.

 

And you can f**k off right over to the west mall with that ********, you Trump supporter.