The First 100 days

Discussion in 'West Mall' started by theiioftx, Nov 10, 2016.

  1. ProdigalHorn

    ProdigalHorn 10,000+ Posts

    As entertained as we all were by this comment, it didn't answer my question, although come to think of it I didn't actually ask a question so much as ask for clarification on how you came up with your take on these events.
     
  2. Joe Fan

    Joe Fan 10,000+ Posts

     
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  3. OUBubba

    OUBubba 5,000+ Posts

    Isn't than an obvious presumption? They don't need Democratic votes, do they? They don't act as if the do. It's not like the GOP has been against shutting down the gubmit in the past.
     
  4. ProdigalHorn

    ProdigalHorn 10,000+ Posts

    It's the obvious presumption from a partisan who is clueless enough not to pay attention to the inherent illogic of what he's just said.

    You've just claimed that the GOP has the ability to do whatever it wants to do from a legislative standpoint, but they're going to shut down the government to stop (or promote?) legislation that they apparently could pass (or stop) any time they want without having to shut anything down. So I guess what? Just because they like shutting down government?
     
  5. ShAArk92

    ShAArk92 1,000+ Posts

    Works for me ...

    with the notable exception that the only govt paid folks who really lose are the part time Guard and Reserve forces who are "troughing." IE ... looking for things to do (fly) to get paid.

    This happened to me in 1995 with the Clinton shutdown ... recall all the sandcrabs leaving those cushy fed govt clerk offices ... just a giggling. They knew they just got a 6 week deferred paid vacation. And the were right. Got all their back pay ... for being somewhere besides on the job.

    That notwithstanding ... I love me some Fed govt shutdown.
     
  6. OUBubba

    OUBubba 5,000+ Posts

    They're Johnny from Cobra kai at a party walking through the halls hoping to get bumped. They want nothing more than a shutdown so they can scream to the rubes that the Dem's caused it. It will be the "Dicky Durbin/Sloppy Steve/Crooked/Lyin' Ted/etc." routine served up as red meat that the base loves. Get your gravy spoon ready, rube.
     
  7. ProdigalHorn

    ProdigalHorn 10,000+ Posts

    Are you drunk? Serious question.
     
  8. OUBubba

    OUBubba 5,000+ Posts

    I'm all hopped up on Folger's.
     
  9. Garmel

    Garmel 5,000+ Posts

    Nope. Just a Sooner.:p
     
  10. mchammer

    mchammer 10,000+ Posts

    Dems could have resolved this in 2008 when they had 60 senate votes. Dems are nothing but gutter-level lying political filth on this issue.
     
  11. theiioftx

    theiioftx Sponsor Deputy

    That is an insult to gutter-level lying filth.
     
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  12. Seattle Husker

    Seattle Husker 10,000+ Posts

    That will go over well. Start arresting mayors and Police Chiefs of major cities then complain when when everyone accuses Trump of autocratic leadership tendencies. That will keep the bayou and conservative hornfan votes in check but the more rational voters will see it for what it is, authoritarian like the US has never seen before.

    I'm confident the adults in the White House will persevere over the children (Stephen Miller?) proposing ideas like this.
     
  13. Garmel

    Garmel 5,000+ Posts

    So, what alternatives do we have to making these rule breakers start obeying the law?
     
  14. Mr. Deez

    Mr. Deez Beer Prophet

    The feds could enforce their own laws.
     
  15. ShAArk92

    ShAArk92 1,000+ Posts

    I keep hearing this ... but when local law enforcement is the "first on scene" of a federal offense (bank robbery to name one) ... should local cops/SOs just let the FBI attend the patrol duty?

    "Oh, disregard, dispatch, robbery in progress at First National Bank, that'd be for Special Agent Johnson (4 hours away)"

    There's no justification for failure to hold an illegal immigrant when found in commission of other offense. His BEING here is an offense and checking for illegals cannot effectively be limited to CBP roadside checkpoints.
     
  16. Mr. Deez

    Mr. Deez Beer Prophet

    They shouldn't, but they can.

    I think not wanting to get sued might be a justification.

    No, it's not.

    But that's up to the feds to decide. They have the authority to enforce the immigration laws. They just need to decide to do it.
     
  17. Joe Fan

    Joe Fan 10,000+ Posts

    The two Koreas have agreed to form first joint Olympic team, march together in opening ceremony....

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  18. Joe Fan

    Joe Fan 10,000+ Posts

    Megyn has really let her self go since the debates

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  19. iatrogenic

    iatrogenic 2,500+ Posts

    The simplest way to force anti-American sanctuary enclaves to assist with enforcing immigration law is to cut off subsidy funding until they do comply. It's very effective.
     
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  20. ShAArk92

    ShAArk92 1,000+ Posts

    shouldn't even have that subsidy in the first place.

    We all do our part where we are. Texas does more than Kansas on illegal immigration. Kansas is exposed to more cases of insanity due to being bland.

    It's a cooperative effort, or should be.

    @Mr. Deez ... it's not an offense to be on US soil without a legal status? I don't understand ... then why do we have check points ... why do we process through customs? Why do we further segregate the customs processing into "Citizens" and "Non-Citizens?"
     
  21. OUBubba

    OUBubba 5,000+ Posts

    I think the issue is that community policing works when the community helps. When a major portion of the community is not going to cooperate with law enforcement due to fear of immigration investigation into them or family/friends, there is a weakness in the chain.
     
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  22. Mr. Deez

    Mr. Deez Beer Prophet

    An "offense" usually means a crime. It's a civil violation, not a crime. That makes a difference when we're talking about asking local law enforcement to hold a person. They can't do that unless the person is reasonably suspected of a crime.

    Because the federal government has the power to regulate ports of entry and chooses to do so.
     
  23. iatrogenic

    iatrogenic 2,500+ Posts

    I agree about the subsidy to an extent. However, when someone becomes dependent on you for money you have "monetized" their actions to some extent. You can require certain things from them because you have created an incentive/disincentive scenario. Ideally, this works with foreign regimes as long as someone enforces the disincentive when necessary.
     
  24. ShAArk92

    ShAArk92 1,000+ Posts

    then change the law. A LEO, by definition is one who enforces the law with the legal authority of the law.

    I am reminded, again, of the Tarrant County Sheriff last year/two years ago now ... insisting the "sanctuary city" status helps them solve crime.

    OK ... so if the illegal immigrant community is such a gold mine of intel ... is there not SOME degree of guilt by association applicable? Should that not, itself, be indicative there is crime within the illegal immigrant community and it should be adjudicated rather than exempted?

    Farbeit for me to quibble about word definition with you, sir ... but the Code calls it an offense ... specifically. (Assuming Cornell is a credible reference, of course) An offense to the law, which warrants arrest, not simply detainment and a fine as if you failed to install your in-possession/valid vehicle registration sticker. That it is a civil violation doesn't even inhibit incarceration. So it seems to me the only practical different WRT "entry" is the available duration/severity of the ... offense. civil/criminal.
     
  25. ShAArk92

    ShAArk92 1,000+ Posts

    naw, I understand your perspective, and given this particular circumstance I'd not object, but the law should be sufficient to motivate compliance for a lawful enforcement authority.
     
  26. Mr. Deez

    Mr. Deez Beer Prophet

    Illegal entry is a crime. Being in the country illegally is not.
     
  27. ShAArk92

    ShAArk92 1,000+ Posts

    LOL

    OK ... so how does one avoid illegal entry and yet be legally in country?

    (expired work/student/visa notwithstanding)

    Mr. Scott Transporter? but that'd STILL be an offense to CFR 8. So ... while I'm sure you're legally correct, I find there's no practical difference.
     
  28. Phil Elliott

    Phil Elliott 2,500+ Posts

    I am not getting this - if this was true, then overstaying your visa would be just fine and nothing the feds can do about it.
     
  29. Joe Fan

    Joe Fan 10,000+ Posts

    Oh hey, look at that

     
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  30. Phil Elliott

    Phil Elliott 2,500+ Posts

    Gee, this Trump guy might actually know what he is talking about.
     

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