RIP John McCain

You guys are all missing the point. If you think there was no calculation on Trump's part you havent been paying attention. Trump drives the media cycle, and uses just about every opportunity to insert himself. And now he's relented to what he should have just done in the first place.

 

Which is?

 

I didn't realize the WH had revisited the decision and re-lower the flags. Good for Trump to listen to feedback. That's growth.

Veterans are a huge part of Trump's base. McCain has been a pretty big supporter of veterans over his career, starting with choosing to remain a POW rather than giving North Vietnam a "win" by releasing him early.

 

He issued a proclamation for the flags to be flown at half-staff as is customary. But only after inserting himself into the news story. The shame and proof being that he is being discussed in a thread that should be about John McCain.

 

Take a lesson.

 

Regardless of what I thought of him as a Senator, he was a great man who sacrificed greatly for his country. The fact that his death has become political football is despicable on all sides. RIP John McCain.

 

You guys have to watch this. The media cannot help themselves. Start watching at the 4 min mark

 

She has become a real ***** and tows the (D) line since leaving Fox News for CNN.

 

That interview is eye opening. Great job sticking to his guns by Sununu.

 

No worries, I never took it as such. And yes, I can agree with you on Trump being an ******* I also agree that it's "baked into" Trump and it's going to be what we get. We'll see what, if any, impact it has on his re-election chances in 2020. I believe it's going to have a detrimental effect on the down-ballot races coming up, however.

By and large I've loved what he's done policy-wise and I hope he continues down that road.

But back to the original intent of this thread, RIP, John McCain, and all of my prayers for your soul and your family.

 

Subunu was genuine and honest. Allison Camerota displayed everything that CNN is. I don’t call it fake news, it’s propaganda.

 

Are you offering to model the behavior?

 

Before licking Sununu's sack with too much enthusiasm, just remember that he put David Souter on the Supreme Court.

 

Yes, but let's not pretend the reason he's doing it is because he just had a principle all along to follow only the code there and nothing more.

McCain got sucked into the maelstrom of pettiness over McCain's death? That's impressive.

 

Not that I particularly care about any of this...

But from what I've seen (and I can find links if need be), Trump basically nixed the idea of a White House statement lauding McCain, preferring instead to tweet out his condolences. Trump steadfastly refuses to call McCain a hero - and I'm not sure which is more childish, refusing to say it or getting mad when someone WON'T say it about you. Meanwhile McCain allegedly instructed that Trump not be invited to his funeral, and Trump won't back off his "I prefer heroes that DON'T get captured."

Trump looks immature, petty, and vindictive. If it were just the flag, then that would be fine. But he's clearly following a pattern where he's intending to slight McCain. It is completely in keeping with his character and his fragile ego.

 

Anyone think Trump's attack on Google today was anything other than an attempt to change the subject about his handling of McCain's passing? He's like an extremely bad puppet master.

 

I probably should have worded that a bit better, eh? I was referring to him passively excluding Trump from attending his funeral by asking that the veep attend, that sort of thing.

But I have to admit that if Trump had impugned me the way he did McCain, I would be hard-pressed to show much civility.

 

A lot of people hated McCain the politician. He used is earned honor as a POW to deflect criticism that any politician receives. Many people forget he attacked Trump first, and hard. I suspect he was as big an ******* as Trump. How else would he survive the treatment he received as a POW if he weren’t?

 

I wish professional journalists would stop butchering the language ... I mean really ... you earn your living with the written/spoken word ... use proper English grammar and structure for crying out loud.

She's pitiful. Sadly she's not alone.

AFA John McCain ... I have nothing to add.

 

A history of the Trump-McCain spat.

This was McCain's "attack" first...

To which Trump responded:

Of course, we all know that later Trump would go on to...

 

Hard to believe politicians insult each other.

 

Trump started the attacks. "I disagree with X . . ." isn't an attack. Calling someone incompetent is an attack. Even worse, Trump tried to passively keep up the attacks after McCain was gone. Not good.

 

Actually Trump's questioning of McCain's war hero status goes back to 1999 in an interview with Dan Rather.

 

So if anything, we're being overly fair to Trump.

 

The inverse if "Trump Derangement Syndrome" is Trump Normalization Syndrome.

 

McCain’s record is being whitewashed by the media and both sides of the political establishment. His life works in totality are nothing to be lauded.

Here is a more representative look at who McCain was.
The Other Side of John McCain

 

It’s clear to me they had a personal fued before that event. You don’t go 0-60 in 4 seconds without previous acrimony

 

Most people don't. Trump isn't most people.

 

Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's all Trump's fault because he's a big douche. IMO John McCain's advantage here comes from being dead, he's plenty douchy even after he's gone:

Sarah Palin, Loyal Running Mate, Excluded from John McCain's Funeral | Breitbart

 

His family asked Sarah Palin not to attend the funeral. That seems harsh to me. She was loyal to him to the end, even after he said he should have chosen Lieberman instead of Palin for Veep.

 

She's a diva who went rogue on McCain to sell books. f**k her.