Admiral, This is the 4th time or so on this thread I'll say it- you are pointing out a spin, a political angle- and no one is arguing with you. A poilitical agenda, while very annoying to me when on tv- is not in the same ballpark as lying about a fact. You want to see a lie? This is a lie. This is not spin. Your story, like all the others- is spin. Lying is a big difference. Definition of a Lie
what do people feel like they gain from defending such an obvious lie? I get the "they do the same thing" argument and, heck, if you want to start a thread every time you find out an Olbermann lie, then bully for you. I think this was done with the Maddow mistake - that is fair play. but, come on, general, et al - can't you just say - "dang, that was pretty blatant example of manipulating images to prove a point" and move on? I do appreciate the fact that without the daily show having FoxNews in their crosshairs, most of this would not come to light. though, to be fair and balanced, the daily show mocks CNN plenty, too.
mcbrett, manipulating video to mislead an audience and then calling a black guy white is spin, but not a lie? okay.
And yes Admiral.. On the surface, the editing job done by MSNBC seems fishy there. I guess if you were to make a true apples to apples comparison with what happened on Hannity's show, MSNBC would had included footage of a white man holding a gun at a completely different political event two months ago; and then reference that footage and talk about it as if it had occurred at a current political event that day.
north beach, if they did watch and are still arguing..... then they are just arguing to argue. defenders of america. i wouldn't take up for msnbc if they did the same. i don't understand why somewhat reasonable folks (admiral, agwithkids, oilfield) can't just say.... this is ******* wrong. what they did was wrong. this isn't about anybody else. this thread is about hannity using propaganda techniques, yet they have people defending them/him. i usually watch cnn, not because of any particular political agenda, and if they did this i would be uphauled. i better never see one of these posters on the football board dogging out the sooner cheating excuse of "everyone was doing it." because that is exactly how they sound.
notreally, read the thread before lumping people. i stated that i was wrong to introduce the "everyone is doing it" to the thread. but then, when people started saying "no they're not - it's exclusively Fox News, give an example of others" well, things changed. furthermore, i insulted sean hannity, who i deplore and stated that fox news has a bias - much more than any lefties on this thread are willing to do with MSNBC/Olbermann.
To follow up- Daily Show did a follow up piece on Hannity and showed the clip where he apologized to not his viewers, but to Jon Stewart about the misinformation and swapping of the clips. He did it in the final 30 seconds of his show- which for Hannity must have been a big pill to swallow.
i give credit to Hannity for at least addressing it. Would have been nice to know how it happened though. I was rolling last night with Jon Stewart's skit of him watching the first 59 minutes of Hannity's show to get to the apology at the end. Nicely edited for comedic affect. Yes, edited, I know. It was still funny. Fox News: We alter reality. You are sold a preconceived narrative.
There is nothing to defend on this. It was wrong, regardless of whether it was an intentional mistake or an accident. Considering the regular tone of Hannity's show, I am not inclined to offer him a pass on this. There is no place for this kind of thing. However he did come out and admit his mistake right away, and he apologized for it. This should be contrasted with the practices of CNN and MSNBC. When they make high profile errors like this, they have a tendency to obfuscate and refuse to take responsibility except under extreme pressure, if at all. A recent example of this was the supposedly racist statements attributed to Rush Limbaugh by both of these stations which later turned out to be patently false. Rick Sanchez at CNN took over a week to correct his misstatements, for what appeared to be partisan reasons, and even then his retraction comments were evasive and did not clearly include an apology. To the best of my knowledge, MSNBC has refused to correct the record or apologize to this day. Who is the more professional news organization? The answer is obvious for anyone to see whose vision is not restricted by partisan blinders.
If it actually happened, it is f-ing wrong. There is absolutely no defending such an 'error'. I'm pretty sure I haven't defended it here. I just said that I've seen situations where Stewart twists the facts himself to make a point or punchline at the expense of Fox.
Take it for what it's worth: I usually check the CNN homepage once a day just to make sure there's not a giant asteroid heading towards earth, and to see how the market is doing. I know that no news source is unbiased, but CNN does seem to have less political hacks with their own shows pushing opinions compared to Fox and MSNBC Anyway, one Saturday about a month ago I had opened to CNN's homepage while I was watching college football and the lead story (the one that has the picture and the main spot) was - "Percentage of Americans who now won't pay income tax has risen to 47%". I am a pretty fiscal conservative of the Ron Paul variety, and so I was interested to read that article as that is a statistic that has always worried me. So before I click on the article I get up to go pee, watch 5 minutes more of football, then reach for the laptop to read it, but before I do I click over to another website to check some football start times. I go back to CNN, and the story is gone. I don't mean that they replaced it as their lead story (which is common throughout the day), I mean it was gone, vanished. It hadn't been moved to the sub stories, I couldn't find it on their money page, when I did a search for it on their site it couldn't locate it. I'm not a conspiracy theorist, but explain that one to me. I'm sure someone could say "well, maybe they didn't check the facts and the realized it was an error and so they pulled their story." And maybe that's the truth. But then again, maybe in of the hugest political battles in the last 50 years (healthcare) in a time when it appears we are crawling out of a sharp recession, and when the President is mustering all the policitcal will and favors he can to get Healthcare passed, that maybe somebody put in a call to someone in power at CNN, and that story not only got yanked, but got pulled entirely out of the news. Not often you see a front page news story disappear from existence without so much as an explanation.
That MSNBC link was pretty bad and any attempt to characterize it as merely slanting the news is a woefully inadaquate description. And I'm anything but a Foxnews apologist, so I'm not coming at it from that angle. Shoot, if I had a link showing Foxnews doing something similar I'd damn near break my knuckles trying to post it on here. But the banter on here has really been illuminating. I guess the whole thing that surprises me about this display is how far we've gone in accepting propaganda from sides that are in line with our belief systems. Honestly this is stuff that growing up I would've only imagined in the Soviet Union or some 3rd world country. This is approaching Orwellian levels of pushing an agenda. It's done matter of factly, as if there's nothing wrong with it. I guess I'm naive or we're all either just numb to it now or we're so reflexive in defending "our" side that we're just willing to ignore it because "well they do it to". But the ease and enthusiasm displayed on this thread to defend it by both sides is ******* laughable. In fact when Admiral posted his link I didn't click on it initially. I just continued reading and when I saw the poster below it quickly rush to spin it into a more favorable light I figured it was pretty tame. And admittedly I thought Admiral was making something out of nothing. But then I actually clicked on the link and I was appalled. That's pretty bad stuff and it's pretty much what dems accuse repubs of doing with the southern strategy and things of that nature. MSNBC was obviously trying to play on that emotion and they obscured anything that didn't go along with that narrative. If Fox did something similar we'd have a thread about it.
The Link What is going on at Fox? If Foxnews is going to report on Sarah Palin drawing huge crowds while she is promoting her new book, would pointing to video that is more than 1 year old, showing a big crowd, and not at all related to the promotion of her book be the video to show? I guess so. Another example of distorting actual events. "there's a crowd of folks"
Funny- I know there's a website (forget the address) that sells generic images. Perhaps Fox can segue into the image selling category since the whole news thing isn't working out so well as far as integrity goes. As far as attracting older viewers who leave the tv on all day and don't care about journalism- they're doing an awesome job.
speaking of Sarah Palin, I saw yesterday that the Associated Press assigned 11 reporters to fact check her book. Obama's book? Zero. Yet he's the President of the United States and she's a former governor. This stuff is everywhere, on every channel, in every magazine. You're definitely making good points, Yola, and I could be mistaken, but your enthusiasm for pointing this stuff out makes it look like you think we've got this singular problem in our media.
