The Band (and Cheer Stuff)

Discussion in 'On The Field' started by Chop, Apr 27, 2019.

  1. RainH2burntO

    RainH2burntO 2,500+ Posts

    This is so simple it couldn't possibly be any more so.
    The song nor manner in which it is celebrated as an anthem is racist in any way shape or form.
    You think or feel it is and want us to do something about it to show we care?
    We do care. However, the song isn't racist so there is really nothing to do.
    Again, we care about you and your feelings, but we will not affirm something as truth that isn't. I hope you can understand.
     
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  2. RainH2burntO

    RainH2burntO 2,500+ Posts

    At some point a bunch of people in this country are going to have to stop the insanity by not kowtowing to things that are insensible as if they were sensible. .. regardless of how people feel

    Let me tell you guys a personal story. I love my wife dearly. She was/is my dream girl. A few years into marriage (this is the part where Mrs. Walker in MCs post above should pay attention), my wife would get real sad and hurt thinking something that wasn't true was so and I knew it wasn't...
    Now, I would see her so upset and it would hurt me, too...but didnt know what to do. Now, I suspect she knew somewhere deep down that these things weren't true, but, as you know, once someone gets some fear based and hurtful thing in their head it is hard to convince them otherwise...regardless of evidence to the contrary.
    Now, you might say, well...something must have given her an impression or caused her to feel this way....and you'd be partially right. There were a couple things I could say or do or not say or not do that would help in one way or another.
    But....What she was feeling , as she one day realized, wasn't actually true. The conclusion she had come to in those times and based how she ultimately felt turned out to be false. She wasn't hurting so because of the little things I did or didn't do perfectly. She hurt because a line of faulty thinking led her to conclude a frightening thing that was actually the opposite of the truth.
    Once she realized this we gained some much needed and newer ground as a growing married couple.
    Did I care about her feelings? Of course, and I responded to her in such a manner as to support this. But, to affirm what she believed to be true even though it wasn't would have been foolhearted for us both...and undermined real growth.
    People need to learn you can care without agreeing or affirming untruth and not expect someone to affirm untruth just because they do care... nor assume they do not care because they refuse to do so.

    And it's a real pity for someone to be so upset over something that isn't true.
     
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  3. mchammer

    mchammer 10,000+ Posts

    Me either. I responded to the wrong post.
     
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  4. mchammer

    mchammer 10,000+ Posts

    Not possible for oppressors to care. Lot easier to call someone an oppressor than to work on a relationship. The kids are listening to adults who are labeling certain folks as oppressors. Like you said, we shouldn’t affirm untruths.
     
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  5. nashhorn

    nashhorn 5,000+ Posts

    Wow, she doesn’t sound like someone that ought to be representing the University at all. “flipped” in the last 12 months? Definitely needs removing from a representative type role.
     
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  6. 2003TexasGrad

    2003TexasGrad 10,000,000+ Posts

    Walker is an idiot. Straight up. Sorry but not sorry. Completely brainwashed.
     
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  7. Chop

    Chop 5,000+ Posts

    On Wabash Cannonball, the section holding what appear to be little sized tubas hoist their instruments up and down to the beat. What is that instrument called?

    The giant tubas are Souzaphones, right. The regular tubas are just tubas, right? What I’m talking about look like mini-tubas.

    (You can tell I wasn’t in band...)
     
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  8. Sangre Naranjada

    Sangre Naranjada Winebibber

    Baritones look like mini tubas
     
  9. Chop

    Chop 5,000+ Posts

    Of course! The Baritones!

    This is coming from a guy who raised some eyebrows by calling my daughter’s orchestra’s violin section the “fiddle players.”
    :smile1:

    On edit: I should have known that they were called “fiddlers.”
     
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  10. Giovanni Jones

    Giovanni Jones 1,000+ Posts

    They are Sousaphones. Named after that Sousa guy. (Technically, its' a bass euphonium that's designed for marching band. Because an upright concert bass euphonium would be a terrific pain in the a$$ to march with).
     
  11. Chop

    Chop 5,000+ Posts

    The one that wrote March Grandioso?

    Souza (spelling?) wrote a lot of band music.
     
  12. Giovanni Jones

    Giovanni Jones 1,000+ Posts

    John Philip Sousa. A composer of many, many marches. But not March Grandioso. That was written by Roland F. Seitz.
     
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  13. Giovanni Jones

    Giovanni Jones 1,000+ Posts

    Speaking of ol' JP Sousa, I love the Corcoran Cadets march. (Not one of his more famous ones). We used part of that in my high school marching band during my junior year.
     
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  14. Chop

    Chop 5,000+ Posts

    Didn’t he write some aggie music also?
     
  15. Giovanni Jones

    Giovanni Jones 1,000+ Posts

    Not that I know of*. It was Joe T. Haney who wrote Noble Men of Kyle and Brazos Brigade and a few other similar tunes for the FTAB.

    *but I could be mistaken. It's happened before.
     
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  16. Giovanni Jones

    Giovanni Jones 1,000+ Posts

    Now, back to the primary topic of this thread. I fear that too many of the people at the 40 Acres have gone so far off the trail into the woods regarding TEOT that any chance of them paying attention to facts, history, context and reason on this topic has been irretrievably lost.

    So perhaps the collective musical minds at the Butler School of Music could be commissioned to compose a new alma mater? Something that's majestic, grandiose, and thrilling. Something along the lines of This Then Is Texas (from Giant).



    Or just "borrow" it. Kind of like how the tune for TEOT was supposedly borrowed from another tune.
     
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  17. Chop

    Chop 5,000+ Posts

    There’s plenty of good songs out there, but I wouldn’t want to change our school song any more than I’d want to change our national anthem.
     
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  18. Giovanni Jones

    Giovanni Jones 1,000+ Posts

    The SSB has been the official national anthem for less than 100 years, btw. (March 3, 1931).
     
  19. Giovanni Jones

    Giovanni Jones 1,000+ Posts

    I'm rather partial to Hail Columbia (the "first" national anthem) because the lyrics are about the nation and patriots, rather than a flag.
     
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  20. Chop

    Chop 5,000+ Posts

    That’s interesting. In your view, who (or what) is this Columbia that is referenced?

    Obviously it’s not the land of coffee and cocaine.
     
  21. nashhorn

    nashhorn 5,000+ Posts

    It’s too close to ‘Columbus’ and we know how terribly controversial that is, I mean come on man.
     
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  22. Giovanni Jones

    Giovanni Jones 1,000+ Posts

    Columbia is the female national personification of the United States.

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    As you might recall, the Apollo 11 Command Module was named after Columbia, as was the first Space Shuttle.
     
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  23. Giovanni Jones

    Giovanni Jones 1,000+ Posts

    There's also Columbia, The Gem of the Ocean (you've probably heard the tune, if not the lyrics)
     
  24. Giovanni Jones

    Giovanni Jones 1,000+ Posts

    The land of coffee and cocaine is Colombia, btw
     
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  25. Giovanni Jones

    Giovanni Jones 1,000+ Posts

    Don't mess with Ms. Columbia. She doesn't suffer fools gladly.
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  26. huisache

    huisache 2,500+ Posts

    The SSB is about kicking the Brits around when they tried to cut the country in two during the 1812 dustup. That was right after they burned DC and right before the butt kicking near New Orleans. They were our chief nemesis for a hundred years. Until they needed our help with the Germans in 1917. I vote to continue our anthem. And to kick out the upstart “prince” and his tawdry wife
     
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  27. Giovanni Jones

    Giovanni Jones 1,000+ Posts

    I'm guessing that Sousa wrote this piece for the University of Michigan:
     
  28. Chop

    Chop 5,000+ Posts

    They have some good songs up there in Michigan. IMHO, 'Hail to the Victors' is one of the best college fight songs. (it's certainly one of the most recognizable)
     
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  29. envgeo

    envgeo 500+ Posts

    Even more interesting as per the Accolade, the SSB tune was fashioned after a popular British drinking song. History.com supports that narrative -> The Star-Spangled Banner

    If folks haven't read the Accolade article, it is great. I guess a snippet of the larger paper but very informative.
     
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  30. Chop

    Chop 5,000+ Posts

    Ha! That's funny but true. Similarly, I've heard that some old school Church hymns are to the tune of drinking songs that were popular at the time.
     

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