2021 Recruiting - Football

Discussion in 'Recruiting' started by Badass, May 7, 2018.

  1. Pomspoms

    Pomspoms 1,000+ Posts

    Thanks Joe for both those depth charts.
    :beertoast:
     
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  2. BevoJoe

    BevoJoe 5,000+ Posts

    ^^^^THIS

    Good point!
     
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  3. caryhorn

    caryhorn 5,000+ Posts

    This is fascinating. It will be interesting how this turns out for the twins. The studs already there will give no quarter to them.
    I just hope a we can find some quality OL to pave the way for the offensive star power coming in.
    Curious that the RB’s and QB’s coming in seems to have meant zip to them.
     
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  4. longhornlegend

    longhornlegend 25+ Posts

    You cant blame the one here at UT. Most of you keep offering excuses for Hermans recruiting about "look at where we ranked". Yes we have ranked high but not from keeping local talent in house. I cant blame the twins. If we start winning it will fix itself. If we dont, it will fix itself. Herman has padded classes with good talent but far from balanced talent. Reference the LB situation as it stands today. Also this coddling of the BLM is pure BS. Like I have said before, if you want to dictate what your boss does then there is the door. Next man up!
     
  5. 2003TexasGrad

    2003TexasGrad Trying this out.

    Looks like he's training to fight Rocky Balboa.
     
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  6. 2003TexasGrad

    2003TexasGrad Trying this out.

    I hadn't thought about that. How time flies when you're older. They probably have no memory of VY running it in on 4th down. That's nuts. Seems like just yesterday to me.
     
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  7. longhornlegend

    longhornlegend 25+ Posts

    Really doesnt matter. If Herman wins, this fixes itself. If not then he needs a better recruiter/coach for this stuff and maybe even him. Cant believe the Brocks were impressed with how Herman handled the world mess we are all faced with. As noted, you didnt see Alabama having these same issues so wish them the best and let Herman go win.
     
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  8. bystander

    bystander 5,000+ Posts

    Think about this. The next Super Bowl will be the 25th anniversary of the Cowboys last Super Bowl appearance (when they defeated Pittsburgh, the game in which Neil O'Donnell made Larry Brown a rich man). People have lived an entire quarter century and have no idea why the Cowboys are known as America's Team.

    And yet, Jerry Jones continues to smugly and arrogantly pass himself off as a successful football man.

    For Texas, the buzz is long gone. It has been too long and the brand seems old. Yet the arrogance (or perceived arrogance) remains. You have to earn it now. You can't walk in acting like you're a Cadillac when your muffler is falling off due to rust.
     
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  9. 2003TexasGrad

    2003TexasGrad Trying this out.

    Texas still has a long and storied history. And it only been 10 years, not 25, although to 18yo recruits 10 years IS 25 years.
     
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  10. 22Horn

    22Horn 250+ Posts

    Buzz is gone; maybe true, but many other elite programs have experienced the same 'buzz on then off'......so it can come back. Ala has not always been the elite they are now...how about USC and others? Penn St? OU? tOSU? Ga? ND?
     
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  11. Austin_Bill

    Austin_Bill 2,500+ Posts

    Off the top of my head. The guy from Iowa state, maybe someone from the NFL. This go around, I just have no idea, I do have all the faith in CDC making a great choice. He is the best AD I've seen out there. Some of the guys who I like what they are doing. Herm Edwards (however still too early), Jack Del Rio (probably the next USC coach), the guy in Oregon.

    Like I said, I have no idea right now.
     
  12. Joe Fan

    Joe Fan 10,000+ Posts

    It could be years before the Brocker Bros are starting, perhaps never. And it would be funny as hell if we won a NC with Luke still on the roster while the twins got nothing. Seems unlikely (lol) but youneverknow*.

    It was not that long ago when there was much griping because OT Walker Little picked Stanford over us. We had to "settle" for Sam Cosmi and Derek Kerstetter that class. And, based on mock drafts at least, it seems very possible the NFL now likes Cosmi better than Little. So maybe things now are not as bad as they seem?

    As far as our future OT looks, the names most mentioned as future starters at OT are Christian Jones and Isiah Hookfin. Tyler Johnson seems headed to OG. Beyond that, there are some good looking 2022 OTs as well (for example Dewberry and Banks) who, if we land, will bridge the depth chart gap quite well. I dont know if Herman and Hand will both be around for all of that, but youneverknow.


    *I will always rmbr that phrase as Joaquin Andujar's "favorite word" in English
     
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  13. gahornphan

    gahornphan 500+ Posts

    Texas selling points:
    Stay close to home
    Good education
    Early playing time
    Austin is fun
    Possibility of going to cool bowl game
    You daddy went here

    Bama selling points:
    Compete for championships ever year
    NFL

    So if you consider yourself an NFL caliber player and that’s your #1 goal, you go to Bama, or Ohio State, or OU.
    If you want to have some fun, and make your daddy proud, go to UT.
     
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  14. Chop

    Chop 2,500+ Posts

    I like the taller, leaner, quicker guys like Hookfin, and later on Andrej Karic, for LT, and the bigger dudes who are still quick like Christian Jones for RT. Big strong guys who aren’t quite as quick may have OG in their future.
     
  15. Chop

    Chop 2,500+ Posts

    That’s some good recruiting and strong depth at Tackle for those classified as Freshmen in your chart. OL recruiting has been good but not great, until this year. It’s still a long way until signing day, but Hand and Herman need to pick it up.
     
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  16. caryhorn

    caryhorn 5,000+ Posts

    I don't think its an either or situation. Ask Vince if he had fun at Texas during his time here, climaxed by playing against USC for a MNC.
    Ask Colt if he enjoyed, had fun at UT, and then playing the the MNC game against Bama.
    I am not counting the Horns out just yet re: getting into the BCS and playing for it all.
    Many teams have languished in mediocrity for years and then jumped into the BCS scene: Clemson, Georgia, etc. USC could pop back in; Penn State, Oregon, Texas could too.

    I don't know if TH can get the Horns to the promised land. This year will be telling. A great coach has to prove he's great. Some of the teams who have gotten to the BNC and won have not necessarily had the best overall talent. The Coach has to show he doesn't have to have the best players at every position to win it all.
    I would argue that Sweeney at Clemson could say that in his first trip to the BCS game. Maybe his second try as well. tOSU beating Bama for its first BCS championship as well showed (which we knew already) that Meyer was a great coach.
    If TH can't win the B12 this year, which is NOT the toughest league to win, that will reveal a lot about his ceiling as a coach.
     
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  17. Joe Fan

    Joe Fan 10,000+ Posts

    It's possible Jones will get a year at RT then move to LT the next season
    We will see
     
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  18. Joe Fan

    Joe Fan 10,000+ Posts

    + woke staff
     
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  19. Joe Fan

    Joe Fan 10,000+ Posts

    Our 2017-19 OL recruiting classes look solid

    Junior Angilau ('18) could be a 4-year starter, possibly all conf
    Rafiti Ghirmai ('18) may become a starter
    Christian Jones ('18) should be the starter at RT
    Mike Grandy was also part of 2018 and might have been a player but for injury
    And Calvin Anderson was also arguably part of the 2018 class
    Tyler Johnson ('19) sounds like a future starter at OG
    Isaiah Hookfin ('19) sounds like a future starter at LT
    Willie Tyler ('19) still has rime to develop as an OT (as does Karic ('20))
    And Parker Braun was also arguably part of the 2019 class.
    Added all together (with Cosmi and Kerkstetter in 2017), it's the best stretch of OL recruiting for us since the mid-2000s. We have more OL depth now than in over a decade. From my perspective, the evidence is clear that the Herman staff has been good at identifying talent across the board (with the exception of Orlando at LB).

    The problem is that 2021 was an epic, once-a-decade in-state OL class, the kind that careers can be made off (or lost). And two of them were double-legacies. The table was set but then we choked away the 2019 season and with it, the chance at a legendary OL class. We can still recover in terms of OL recruiting and OL depth with a good haul in 2021. But if Hand blows that too then he needs to go. And by then, it might be too late for Herman anyway.
     
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  20. Chop

    Chop 2,500+ Posts

    Maybe. It may depend on how Hookfin develops. He’s already North of 300 lbs, so check off filling out his tall and formerly lean frame.
     
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  21. Pomspoms

    Pomspoms 1,000+ Posts

    Maybe the brocks didn't come here simply bc they don't respect Herman, which I can understand.
    So how do most feel about Urban Meyer?
    Pretty sure we get the top recruits in Texas. I know he's not a media darling and maybe a little full of Himself but he commands respect. Is it time to open up the bank vault and make an offer? I do want to see what Herman can do this year with this team but I just feel like he doesn't have championship juice. Is there another commanding general out there that can be a difference maker?
     
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  22. Joe Fan

    Joe Fan 10,000+ Posts

     
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  23. Joe Fan

    Joe Fan 10,000+ Posts

    Perhaps the best way to look at it as a business decision. They think they can play in the NFL. Alabama gives them a better shot at that than we do. Thus, a rational choice.
     
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  24. Chop

    Chop 2,500+ Posts

    I’d keep or ditch Hand based primarily on the on-field performance, although recruiting is also important of course, and it obviously feeds into how well the OL performs on the field.

    Random thoughts on some of these guys:

    Junior Angilau—an absolute beast at run blocking. Still needs improvement at pass protection.

    Willie—we won’t know about him until he gets in proper playing shape. The weight room, track, and dining table will make him or break him.

    Ghirmai—It’s super important that he develops and fast. Center is a tough position to recruit, develop, and play.

    Johnson and Jones are probably the farthest along in their development, especially Jones. Possibly either could play adequately this year (if there is a this year).
     
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  25. Joe Fan

    Joe Fan 10,000+ Posts

    I think evaluating Hand in 2019 is challenging due to the horrible game-planning and scheming. Our sets and player groupings often made predicting the play call way too easy. And those slow-developing plays to the short side of the field made me pull my hair out. There is just too much too complain about (the ou game was THE worst!).
    But how much of that was Hand's fault? Maybe none of it. The OL ran their assigned plays but were never put in a position to succeed. It will be nice to see us take advantage of match ups -- and scheme to identify and then plow through the other guy's weaknesses for a change (just like Riley does to us).
     
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  26. Pomspoms

    Pomspoms 1,000+ Posts

    I
     
  27. Joe Fan

    Joe Fan 10,000+ Posts

    The dad's dislike of Herman does appear to be more than just a rumor
     
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  28. SabreHorn

    SabreHorn 5,000+ Posts

    Urban Myth?

    You have to be ******* kidding me.

    Murders - that's plural
    Rapes and sexual assaults by players & recruits
    Robberies
    Assaults
    Thefts
    NCAA sanctions
    and it goes on

    I'd consider Barry or Jackie first and maybe Howard Schnellenberger

    Myth is king of the slimeballs

    NO!! Hell NO! NO ******* WAY!
     
  29. Austin_Bill

    Austin_Bill 2,500+ Posts

    Look for the twins to make a few Twitter statements slamming Texas and specifically Tom Herman.
     
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  30. SabreHorn

    SabreHorn 5,000+ Posts

    While Herman deserves it, I'd be surprised if they do anything publicly. Say it to recruits or privately amongst people they know? Probably, but on social media? Don't think that's the family's style.
     
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