Comey Fired!

Discussion in 'West Mall' started by Musburger1, May 9, 2017.

  1. iatrogenic

    iatrogenic 1,000+ Posts

    Yes, but that is par for the course. If the intel shared involves a potential ISIS act of terrorism against a Russian commercial airliner, you would have to be a hard-hearted, beyond evil, bast_rd not to warn Russia.
     
  2. Seattle Husker

    Seattle Husker 5,000+ Posts

    What's the process for declassifying this information before sharing it? Are you saying it's typical for a POTUS to share it with our adversaries without prior approval from an ally or vetting the sharing with the intelligence community? A former leader of the Mossad is already claiming they should limit intelligence sharing with Trump based on this transgression. Is that normal?
     
  3. iatrogenic

    iatrogenic 1,000+ Posts

    So you think the President of the United States of America has to ask for permission?:tap:
     
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  4. horninchicago

    horninchicago 2,500+ Posts

    Under the Obama playbook, yes.
     
  5. 4th_floor

    4th_floor 500+ Posts

    Yes. OU grads are not capable of deciphering anything. So this is unrealistic.
     
  6. Joe Fan

    Joe Fan 10,000+ Posts

    The reporter who first wrote about the purported "Comey memo" never actually saw it (if it even exists at all)

     
  7. iatrogenic

    iatrogenic 1,000+ Posts

    I bet Sylvester the Cat made up that story out of thin air. He also has the can't be trusted look of a child molester.
     
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  8. Mr. Deez

    Mr. Deez 5,000+ Posts

    His appointment is a good thing. First, Mueller isn't an attention-seeking camera hog. He'll most likely keep his head down and his mouth shut until he completes his investigation, which will be refreshing. Second, this takes some wind out of the Democrats' sails. They'll still be freaking out every chance they get, but if (and it's a big "if") Trump is willing to shut his mouth (the source 90 percent of his problems), he can easily direct attention away from himself and to the special counsel. I don't mean that he should go on the offensive against the special counsel like the Clinton team did with Kenneth Starr. I mean that he should answer each question with, "I'm not going to comment on an ongoing investigation, and I would encourage you to direct your questions to Mr. Mueller." Finally, Mueller's work will end this issue once and for all, for better or for worse. It'll either end in Trump's impeachment or his exoneration.

    This is true. Whether or not Trump screwed something up here depends entirely on the specifics of what he shared, which we don't know. Accordingly, any freak-outs or dismissals on this are grossly premature and ignorant.

    Yes, Comey did testify to this, and this is another issue on which the specifics (which we don't have) are everything. Let's remember that all we've seen is fourth-hand hearsay about what Trump allegedly said to Comey, and we don't have any context for it at all. And even if we assume that the memo is gospel, the quote I've seen isn't very damning of Trump. My understanding is that he said, "I hope you can see your way clear to letting this go, to letting Flynn go . . . He is a good guy. I hope you can let this go."

    Depending on his tone, body language, etc., this sounds like he's only expressing his personal hope that the FBI can let Flynn go. It doesn't sound like he's ordering him to stop anything or even asking him to - just that he hopes Comey ultimately does let it go. You could infer that he was just beating around the bush a little and that he actually meant something else, but based on his sworn testimony Comey obviously didn't seem to think it was any sort of request or instruction. Furthermore, beating around the bush is a bit out of character for Trump. Again, this is something the special counsel needs to figure out based on the specifics.

    This is what I really wanted the special counsel to look at. Right now there's plenty of evidence of interference but no evidence of collusion with Trump. I'm hoping Mueller finds the bad apples, and I'm hoping that Trump isn't one of them. However, if Trump isn't one of them, he sure as hell needs to stop acting guilty. The biggest reason why people ever suspected him of having Putin's balls in his mouth is that he acts like he has them in his mouth. He needs to knock that off.

    And ultimately, I hope Trump sees the stupidity of his loose tongue. Like I said previously, 90 percent of his problems come from the fact that he has no self-control and maturity than a 6-year-old who just down a gallon of Kool-Aid. If he'd just act a third his age, he'd be miles ahead of where he is.
     
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  9. iatrogenic

    iatrogenic 1,000+ Posts

    Host Anderson Cooper and Dershowitz’s fellow panelists Jeffrey Toobin and Carl Bernstein argued the investigation should proceed, but Dershowitz insisted there wasn’t a criminal statute about what Trump and his campaign have been accused.

    “Let’s assume that that’s true — show me the criminal statute,” he said. “I still sit here as a civil libertarian. I don’t want us ever to become what Stalinist Russia became when Stalin was told by Lavrentiy Beria, ‘Show me the man and I’ll find you the crime.’ What is the crime?”

    Cooper said the question wasn’t whether or not it was illegal collusion or just collusion but if it occurred, to which Dershowitz said that wasn’t something over which Mueller would have jurisdiction.


    “[T]hat is a political issue, but that doesn’t give Mueller jurisdiction,” he added. “Mueller has no jurisdiction to explore whether he made political mistakes, did terrible things, engaged in wrongdoing. Only criminal acts.”
     
  10. Mr. Deez

    Mr. Deez 5,000+ Posts

    I'm not sure why this is a hard question. We could start with the federal wire fraud and computer fraud statutes as well possibly identity theft statutes. If Russian operatives hacked into the DNC's e-mail system, they were almost surely violating one or more of these statutes. Of course, there are numerous state laws dealing with it as well. If Trump asked them to do this, promised something in return for doing it, helped them do it, etc, he could be charged with solicitation or conspiracy to commit those crimes.

    It's pretty easy to come up with the "ifs" that would support a criminal charge against Trump. However, these are "if my grandmother had balls, she'd be my grandfather" issues. We don't have any evidence of any of this.
     
  11. OUBubba

    OUBubba 500+ Posts

    RICO violations. Plus, they got a broad in the car. Took her across state lines. That's a man act. How's that for hijinks?
     
  12. iatrogenic

    iatrogenic 1,000+ Posts

    “I still sit here as a civil libertarian. I don’t want us ever to become what Stalinist Russia became when Stalin was told by Lavrentiy Beria, ‘Show me the man and I’ll find you the crime.’ "
     
  13. Mr. Deez

    Mr. Deez 5,000+ Posts

    I'm not going to "like" anything that Switzer's jock sniffer posts, but he's right about a possible RICO violation. We'd need to know more facts though.
     
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  14. iatrogenic

    iatrogenic 1,000+ Posts

    If anyone would know the characteristics of a scumbag, cheating loser, it would be an OU Switzer fan. What doesn't make sense is that OUBubba is trying to criticize Trump for these alleged activities when he would typically be rubbing his own nipples and salivating at the thought of Trump's supposed Switzer-like misdeeds.
     
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  15. Seattle Husker

    Seattle Husker 5,000+ Posts

    OUBubba's been cool since he joined the dialogue.
     
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  16. Garmel

    Garmel 250+ Posts

  17. Musburger1

    Musburger1 1,000+ Posts

  18. Mr. Deez

    Mr. Deez 5,000+ Posts

    He is cool. I just can't show the Switzer pic any respect.
     
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  19. Seattle Husker

    Seattle Husker 5,000+ Posts

    Did you forget to scrub the source before posting this or is the Kremlin's strategy changed to cast off any subterfuge for relaying their propaganda?
     
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  20. OUBubba

    OUBubba 500+ Posts

    I'm more of an ear lobe guy...
     
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  21. iatrogenic

    iatrogenic 1,000+ Posts

    From the article listing the numerous fake news stories from WAPO attacking Trump

    "To any objective observer, The Washington Post is a laughingstock, a fake news propaganda factory… But there will be no consequences because that is exactly what everyone in the national media wants The Washington Post to be."

    In other words, they are useless as legitimate reporters, but good at being a Russian style propaganda machine.
     
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  22. iatrogenic

    iatrogenic 1,000+ Posts

    I thought you were into urine, but whatever.......
     
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  23. Musburger1

    Musburger1 1,000+ Posts

    The source was the Russian embassy in the U.K. Why would I hide it? They didn't hide it.
     
  24. OUBubba

    OUBubba 500+ Posts

    My avatar is a bit of a wink to the rivalry. Like, when Switzer and Royal were talking with President Ford or Nixon and some Oklahoma butt yelled, "who are those two a-holes with Switzer!?!"
     
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  25. Joe Fan

    Joe Fan 10,000+ Posts

    Another NYT above-the-fold big fat lie

    Why do they keep doing this?


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    Rosenstein debunked today
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    Last edited: May 19, 2017
  26. Garmel

    Garmel 250+ Posts

    Because there are people that will believe any kind of ******** as long as it's against Trump. A couple of them exist on this board.
     
  27. OUBubba

    OUBubba 500+ Posts

    Any kind of ****** is mostly true. j/s
     
  28. Garmel

    Garmel 250+ Posts

    Thank you for proving my point. ;)
     
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    Garmel 250+ Posts

  30. Mr. Deez

    Mr. Deez 5,000+ Posts

    I'll admit I laughed at this. My biggest Trump fan friend on Facebook posted it.

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