Coronavirus

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  1. AustinHorn24

    AustinHorn24 250+ Posts

    OK?

    Even if you count it as 2 separate seasons that's way more deaths than in any combined 2 year flu seasons since 1918.
     
  2. AustinHorn24

    AustinHorn24 250+ Posts

    Are you really worried about wearing a mask? Or are you worried about social isolation and shut downs?

    Because those are 2 entirely different things.

    The cost of wearing a mask is minimal.
    The cost of shutdowns/social isolation is obviously much, much worse.
     
  3. theiioftx

    theiioftx Sponsor Deputy

    Bump so Dr Spitago answers.
     
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  4. OUBubba

    OUBubba 5,000+ Posts

    I will tell you that hospitals are not fine. They are slammed to the gills in Oklahoma. There are patients in ER's on vents waiting for ICU placement. Sub. OPTIMAL.
     
  5. OUBubba

    OUBubba 5,000+ Posts

    I want to thank Austin for moving me to the status of "moderate" here.
     
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  6. OUBubba

    OUBubba 5,000+ Posts

    Why such an aggy? Chill out. There's no data indicating that it's "less fatal". I assume it will be similar to the initial strain that sucks for most but is fatal to a unique patient.
     
  7. mb227

    mb227 de Plorable

    It also ignores the massive failures in Michigan, New York and New Jersey that directly contributed to MANY thousands of elderly dying when the governors of those States forced nursing/retirement homes to admit the sick...same period that the floating hospitals saw next to no use and the field hospitals erected at substantial cost went unused in those locales.

    Of course, those touting the six-figure number also ignore that it is deaths WITH the 'rona, not deaths FROM the 'rona...
     
  8. mb227

    mb227 de Plorable

    How silly of me...I trusted the UK when they claim that it was less lethal. You would think a nation would know mortality rates...
     
  9. Monahorns

    Monahorns 10,000+ Posts

    Don't disagree. The point is we need to be correct in the detail.
     
  10. Monahorns

    Monahorns 10,000+ Posts

    Obviously masks are less of an imposition on us. If we could get 100% open economy but with some mask wearing that would be bearable.

    The point is, what are allowing to dictate our behavior? If masks help, then fine. If mask don't really help, then we should drop the mandates. People are shaming others over the masks. Masks create isolation and dehumanization while we are in public. Masks don't allow for nonverbal communication. All that harms societal interaction.

    My viewpoint has always been let property owners and individuals make their own decisions. And let's be patient and kind with those that differ from us. That is the opposite of the US right now.
     
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  11. Monahorns

    Monahorns 10,000+ Posts

    If you want to see the data on hospitalization. Find the state you are interested in from the tweet below. He has data on all 50 states. Looks like we could be hitting a peak.

     
  12. Horn6721

    Horn6721 10,000+ Posts

    Mona
    Does that chart show Oklahoma is in distress like bubba says.?
     
  13. horninchicago

    horninchicago 10,000+ Posts

    I just flat out don't believe that. What % of hospitals are slammed? If so, I would guess because illnesses are up from people not going to the doctor last year amidst the fear porn.
     
  14. horninchicago

    horninchicago 10,000+ Posts

    You're always reasonable and respectful.

    On the other hand...

    :ousucksnana:
     
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    Horn6721 10,000+ Posts

  16. theiioftx

    theiioftx Sponsor Deputy

    Ok “moderate” Bubba is correct. Hospitals are in crisis, but it’s not lack of ICU beds. It’s lack of beds in general which is shutting down their OR’s which generate revenue. This isn’t everywhere, but certain areas are experiencing it.
     
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  17. OUBubba

    OUBubba 5,000+ Posts

    We have patients sitting on ventilators in the ER waiting for an icu bed to open up.
     
  18. horninchicago

    horninchicago 10,000+ Posts

    That's rough.

    Is that nationwide?
     
  19. OUBubba

    OUBubba 5,000+ Posts

    Positivity is down turning. It will be interesting to see how it holds next week after the back to school numbers hit. If we can get through the next month we will be through the worst. There light on the horizon.
     
  20. OUBubba

    OUBubba 5,000+ Posts

    No. Eastern Oklahoma is over run with people who think mask mandates and social distancing is for *******

    we are Oklahoma’s version of the populace who keeps re-electing Louie Gohmert.
     
  21. horninchicago

    horninchicago 10,000+ Posts

    Good. People make choices all the time. That's the way it goes.
     
  22. OUBubba

    OUBubba 5,000+ Posts

    Please post a link. Is there a special internet in college station that I don’t have access to? Conventional wisdom says it will be less dangerous but more contagious. I don’t find that link but would love to see that be the case.
     
  23. iatrogenic

    iatrogenic 2,500+ Posts

    Being on a ventilator in the ER or icu doesn’t make much difference. They could put them in the parking garage as long as they have a ventilator. By the way, ozone infusion still works like magic against COVID if given early. Guess there’s not enough money in stopping COVID early.
     
  24. AustinHorn24

    AustinHorn24 250+ Posts

    :rolleyes1: There's a huge diatribe I could go on about how incorrect you are on this, but suffice it to say that ER docs and critical care docs (and their associated teams) have different skill sets. Is there some overlap? Sure but not enough to make them equivalent in terms of overall critical care patient management generally or vent management in particular.
     
  25. Monahorns

    Monahorns 10,000+ Posts

    Looks like it could be coming down off the peak.
     
  26. mchammer

    mchammer 10,000+ Posts

    I know a father of a coworker who lives in a retirement community in Tomball area. The nursing care area was vaccinated in December. The rest who are living independently (and over 65, which is basically everyone) will be vaccinated Friday. I know two retirees who are near 70 got their shot today or will on Friday (granted they signed up early). In about 2 weeks you are going to see it show up in real time numbers (hospitalizations), but likely 4 weeks for deaths.
     
  27. theiioftx

    theiioftx Sponsor Deputy

    My Alabama hospitals are stretched. Everywhere else full but manageable.

    The Alabama hospitals are effectively managing by cutting back on inpatient elective surgeries. That’s what should have happened in March rather than government shutting down all electives.
     
  28. mchammer

    mchammer 10,000+ Posts

    Good chance the virus peaks before Inauguration Day. Trump our leader.
     
  29. horninchicago

    horninchicago 10,000+ Posts

    So backwoods Okie and Bama are stretched. Sounds like a hillbilly problem more than anything else.
     
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  30. horninchicago

    horninchicago 10,000+ Posts

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