Discussion in 'West Mall' started by Clean, Jan 28, 2020.

  1. mchammer

    mchammer 5,000+ Posts

  2. Garmel

    Garmel 2,500+ Posts

    Thanks, McHammer.
  3. bystander

    bystander 5,000+ Posts

    It didn't take long for the climate change freaks to see the good in the virus:

    Virus Cuts China’s Carbon Emissions by 100 Million Metric Tons

    Since the coup to remove Trump failed they will go back to trying to scare us into voluntarily handing over our EARNED WAGES to save the planet. Remember, overall, they are aiming at the American people. China, Russia and India will all skate through. Greta won't go over there. The money and the corrupt Liberal elite are over here. They have already launched a legion of humorless, ruthless, OCD activists upon the US nation. They will cuss you out, attack you and basically want to destroy you unless you bow down. They are creating a new Wermacht here in America.
  4. OUBubba

    OUBubba 2,500+ Posts

    That's glass half full. Think about the write up they could get if it killed off a few million!
  5. bystander

    bystander 5,000+ Posts

    I know population growth is a huge factor. Clearly. More people more consumption of all things.

    Ironically, this eco-terrorist thinks or once thought we US should lock their borders down because as people from south of the Rio Grande arrive, their carbon footprint inevitably increases. Sounds like he's saying it's better for them to rot in their home country than to come over here and become good old consuming Americans; you know, the engine for world prosperity.

    About the Authors

    Exerpts from Watson:

    "I am for lowering human populations and levels of human consumption.

    I am for lowering immigration from nations that have high birth rates to nations that have lower birth rates and from nations of high birth rates to nations of high consumption levels. Nations with lower birth rates should not be penalized by having growth forced upon them from nations needing to dump their excess populations. Nations of high consumption levels increase the levels of consumption with the introduction of every additional person.

    I don't believe it is anti-immigrant to be in favor of lower immigration levels for the same reason I don't think it is anti-baby to be in favor of less babies being born."

    And in case you doubt his credentials as an environmentalist:

    "I have no intention of saying the politically correct things and doing the politically correct or Sierrally correct things merely to be re-elected in 2006. I intend to concentrate on doing and saying the ecologically correct things and if this is unacceptable to the membership I will happily accept a rejection in 2006 as an indication that I am not reflecting the views of the membership which I honestly hold as secondary to the laws of ecology.

    I would rather be defeated in an election and hold true to what is ecologically right than to subvert my ecological values to fit the sociological values that I believe must be secondary to the interests of the biosphere."

    And then this:

    How environmentalists were silenced on immigration
  6. Monahorns

    Monahorns 2,500+ Posts

    Global supply chains are already being disrupted by corona virus. I have a new product being delayed at least 2 months due to it.
  7. Mr. Deez

    Mr. Deez 10,000+ Posts

    A bunch of people are dead, but on the bright side . . .
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  8. LongestHorn

    LongestHorn 1,000+ Posts

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  9. mchammer

    mchammer 5,000+ Posts

    In related news, bats in Austin are dropping like flies.
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  10. Clean

    Clean 5,000+ Posts

  11. Clean

    Clean 5,000+ Posts

    I wonder how long before places like Walmart begin to get squeezed because their main supplier, China, is shut down?

    I heard that even the haute couture designers in Europe were hit hard because the Chinese buyers didn't go to their spring shows.

    So, why hasn't Wall Street been hit harder? Any little problem with the oil supply sets off a selling spree. Why hasn't this, which could potentially be much bigger?
  12. mchammer

    mchammer 5,000+ Posts

    Good question. Market likely down from here until April when the weather turns.
  13. Horn6721

    Horn6721 Half of seeming clever is keeping your mouth shut.

    Local news, DFW, said to expect gas prices to rise by at least $.12. Fill up today
  14. mb227

    mb227 2,500+ Posts

    I've seen the hikes in the Houston area over the past few station that has typically been among the lower priced stations near the house went $1.899 to $1.949 overnight and was at $1.999 heading home, then up again to $2.099 this morning.
  15. Clean

    Clean 5,000+ Posts

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  16. Clean

    Clean 5,000+ Posts

    Hold on to your butts as Wall Street will probably take that long awaited bath today in reaction to the virus breaking out big time in Italy (3 deaths) and Iran (12 deaths).
  17. WorsterMan

    WorsterMan 10,000+ Posts

    This Chinese bio-technology weapon is unfortunately coming to your and my town.... just a matter of time. Better start preparing for it now.
  18. Mr. Deez

    Mr. Deez 10,000+ Posts

    I'm paying $3.10 per gallon. Hard to be sympathetic to you all. (And of course, the Germans are paying more like $5.75.)
  19. Clean

    Clean 5,000+ Posts

    Anybody thinking of dumping their stocks (when the markets rebound a little) or beginning to stockpile food, toiletries, water, medicine, etc. ?

    I tried to buy paper surgical masks this weekend. First at Home Deport, my usual supplier, and then at a CVS pharmacy nearby. Couldn't get a single one.
  20. mchammer

    mchammer 5,000+ Posts

    So when it reaches pandemic stage, do you stop the quarantines and live your life like normal? Or do you wait it out until warmer weather?
  21. Clean

    Clean 5,000+ Posts

    I'm 70 and have respiratory issues. So if it gets here, I can't afford to just say, "oh well, if I get it, I get it". I've spent the last month trying to avoid the cold virus circulating at my workplace. I washed my hands for 20-30 seconds each time until they were cracked and sore. I used paper towels to open doors and push buttons and hid out in my office and avoided people who were symptomatic as much as possible…. and, I still caught it.

    If this thing sweeps through the population, I'll probably go ahead and retire. I'll hide out on my 6-acre mini-ranchette and have my groceries delivered.
  22. bystander

    bystander 5,000+ Posts

    Dollar cost averaging I guess... I'm still contributing faithfully to my 401K.
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  23. mchammer

    mchammer 5,000+ Posts

    My family has been sick at Thanksgiving (strep), Christmas (low grade fever, sore throat) and Valentines (cold). We have our flu shots, but that is going around too. One of those years.

    Strategy this year is clear: wait it out till warmer weather. But what about next winter if no vaccine is available?
  24. Horn6721

    Horn6721 Half of seeming clever is keeping your mouth shut.

    Oh no. You got coronavirus?
    Or it is flu?
    Either way I hope you are ok.

    You make a good point that it is hard being out in the public makes to avoid all the crap people are walking around with
    At church Sunday I was dreaded the usually nice moment of greeting those around you. The people behind me had been sniffling loud and phlegm filled.
    I am guessing the moment was abandoned for health reasons, colds flu etc

    Clean stay home .
  25. Clean

    Clean 5,000+ Posts

    Just a cold, but a nasty one. I stayed home for 5 work days with a weekend thrown in the middle. Now I'm back at work, but still hacking and coughing like everybody else around here. I managed to pass it on to the wife. She's pissed at me.

    Because of my respiratory issues I get a flu shot every year. I also got a pneumonia shot 5/6 months ago. And, to top it all off, I got the Shingrix, 2-shot shingles vaccine. I do all I can to stay healthy. I had about a one year run of good health going there until I came down with this.
  26. Horn6721

    Horn6721 Half of seeming clever is keeping your mouth shut.

    it sounds like the cold/flu round robins that go around in families.
    Glad you are getting better and it also sounds pretty normal , just has to run its' course like I am sure it is doing for the rest of the people in your office.
    maybe Amazon has a bio suit for your wife??
  27. Clean

    Clean 5,000+ Posts

    Shoppers stripped grocery shelves bare of food in Palermo, Italy after the virus reached that city.

    This is what we have to look forward to. I remember the gas panic after Hurricane
    Harvey hit South Texas. We had plenty of gas, but then the word spread that we were running out and long lines formed at the gas pumps before you could say, "gas panic". People were filling up 55 gallon trash cans with gas. It was crazy.

    Coronavirus spreads to the SOUTH of Italy as illness hits Sicily | Daily Mail Online
  28. WorsterMan

    WorsterMan 10,000+ Posts

    Clean, pleased to hear your taking precautions.

    Yea, I'm very concerned US officials re-acted late and were perhaps a bit complacent as this thing first blew up. The virus continues to spread globally and shows no sign of stopping.

    I'm mid 60's and it occurred to me yesterday I better go get a pneumonia shot in case I come down with the virus later. Some deaths are not due to the virus itself, but from the pneumonia it causes in some people.
  29. Clean

    Clean 5,000+ Posts

    Yes, you should. Everybody over 60 should get vaccinated. It's a two step process now. First you get a Prevnar 13 shot, which protects you from 13 strains of pneumonia. Then, a year later, you get a second shot which protects you from an additional 23 strains. I got it at Walmart and medicare paid for it.
  30. Clean

    Clean 5,000+ Posts

    CDC says it's no longer a matter of "if" covid-19 will spread to U.S. but only a matter of when:

    ATLANTA, Ga. – The Centers for Disease Control said Tuesday that it appears inevitable that COVID-19 will spread in United States communities. Officials said it’s no longer a matter of if, but when.

    Dr. Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases, said during a conference call that the spread of the new coronavirus in countries other than China has officials concerned about outbreaks in the U.S.

    "Ultimately we expect we will see community spread in this country," said Messonier. "It’s not so much a question of if this will happen anymore, but rather more a question of exactly when this will happen and how many people in this country will have severe illness."

    The CDC says the agency is preparing to address the potential spread of the virus in the U.S. and it's encouraging Americans to begin planning as well.

    "We will maintain, for as long as practical, a dual approach where we continue measures to contain this disease, but also employ strategies to minimize the impact on our communities," said Messonier.

    Messonier said that officials don't know whether the spread of the disease in the U.S. would be mild or severe, but Americans should be ready for "significant disruptions" to their daily lives.

    “We are asking the American public to prepare for the expectation that this might be bad,” Messonnier said.

    If the virus begins to spread amongst Americans, the CDC says it will becomes increasingly important to implement basic precautions to prevent more infections. That includes staying home when ill and practicing respiratory and hand hygiene.

    Additionally, the CDC says community level intervention might include school dismissals and social distancing in other settings, like postponing or canceling large gatherings. Officials said it may become necessary for students and the workforce to meet over the internet, instead of in person.

    “For adults, businesses can replace in-person meetings with video or telephone conferences and increase teleworking options,” said Messonier.

    The virus is believed to have originated from Wuhan, China, where early patients had some link to a large seafood and live animal markets.

    The CDC says more than 2,400 people have died from COVID-19 worldwide, with a majority of the deaths in mainland China. However, other countries are now battling sizable outbreaks as well.

    Europe’s biggest outbreak is in Italy, where more than 280 people have reportedly been infected. Iran has reported at least 95 cases. And, South Korea has more than 970 cases.

    As of Tuesday, the CDC had confirmed 14 cases in the U.S., 12 being travel-related and two from person-to-person spread. A total of 43 cases have been confirmed in the group of people repatriated to the U.S. from either Wuhan or the Diamond Princess cruise ship off the coast of Japan, the CDC says. That's a total of 57 cases.

    At this time, there’s no vaccine or medicine to help stop the spread of the virus.

    “In the absence of a vaccine or therapy, community mitigation measures are the primary method to respond to widespread transmission and supportive care is the current medical treatment,” wrote the CDC.

    Symptoms of COVID-19 are similar to those of influenza (fever, cough, and shortness of breath) and the current outbreak is occurring during a time of year when respiratory illness are highly prevalent. The CDC is hoping COVID-19 is a seasonal disease like the flu, but officials are preparing in case it’s not.

    CDC: No longer a matter of if coronavirus will spread in US communities, but when

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