DL Marcel Southall is leaving

Discussion in 'On The Field' started by Joe Fan, May 18, 2017.

  1. Joe Fan

    Joe Fan 10,000+ Posts

    2 DLs in one day
    is that a record?
     
  2. LonghornCatholic

    LonghornCatholic 5,000+ Posts

    Asked to leave?
     
  3. Crockett

    Crockett 5,000+ Posts

    Good thing Charlie signed 5 DTs in 2016.
     
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  4. The Eyes of Texas

    The Eyes of Texas 500+ Posts

    so much for depth on the line....
     
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  5. moondog_LFZ

    moondog_LFZ 1,000+ Posts

  6. Crockett

    Crockett 5,000+ Posts

    Well we have Jamari Chisholm coming in . Also, I'm thinking most of the time only one tackle will be on the field at a time. My impression is we'll have 2 DEs and 4 linebackers on most plays.
     
  7. X Misn Tx

    X Misn Tx 500+ Posts

     
  8. BevoJoe

    BevoJoe 5,000+ Posts

     
  9. LonghornMD

    LonghornMD 100+ Posts

    In the process of recruiting and evaluating prospective players, it doesn't seem like Charlie spend much time considering whether the kid could 1. qualify, 2. remain academically in good standing at The University of Texas. See the handful of Florida kids that Charlie signed just in 3 short years that never played a snap (or made it to campus) at Texas, as well as the handful of other kids that struggled to qualify to the point that their involvement in the program couldn't be counted on. This short-sightedness by Strong is pure idiocy.
     
  10. Crockett

    Crockett 5,000+ Posts

    Obviously, you can't pull athletes from the same academic strata as the general student body population at Texas. Academically gifted athletes exist and get recruited hard by Stanford and Notre Dame. There aren't enough of them to go around for academically elite universities that also want to be elite football powers.

    Grade attrition gets at lot of high school high achievers who attend UT. I don't think it fair to call it idiocy to take some kids that are athletically gifted who barely qualify academically. Academic support for athletes was good during Strong's tenure. There will always be a few athletes who through inability, or more likely distraction, fail to cut it here.
     
  11. LonghornMD

    LonghornMD 100+ Posts

    You want to sign players who can contribute on the field. Spending time, money, and effort (as well as committing a scholarship spot) on a player who won't qualify and repeated doing this with other similar recruits is idiotic. It's absolutely fair to say so. A coach should understand this. And the track record speaks for itself.... Strong signed a lot of guys who didn't make it to campus or even suit up. A couple of his "great" recruiting classes had several players who never stepped foot on campus (see the Florida 5..... only Burt ever put on a Texas jersey).

    The University of Texas can and does compete very well for academically gifted athletes. To say we (Texas) cannot compete academically with the Stanfords, Notre Dames (?), or Dukes of college athletics for elite student-athletes is misinformed. That's not me putting on rose-tinted glasses; that's reality. UT is consistently ranked the top public university year-in and year-out, followed closely by UVa, Cal, and UNC. And being public doesn't make you sub-par to private institutions. Texas, in fact, has degree programs ranked much higher than all 3 of those private institutions in many areas. Elite student-athletes frequently chose Texas over Stanford, Duke, Northwestern, Vanderbilt, and the Ivies, etc. Not always. But Texas is always in the competition.
     
  12. Crockett

    Crockett 5,000+ Posts

    Don't disagree with that, nor with the fact that UT can compete for elite students.

    If you think we can win national football championships recruiting only athletes who would qualify for admission based on the same academic criteria my unathletic kid would have to meet, then I vehemently disagree.

    If you think the academic success of Charlie Strong recruits is a lot worse than other Texas or Big 12 coaches ... I don't see it. Has someone done some statistical analysis?
     
    Last edited: May 19, 2017
  13. LonghornMD

    LonghornMD 100+ Posts

    Well of course....... no one is advocating recruiting unathletic kids.

    I think Charlie's recruiting classes have seen more attrition from academic qualifying than previous classes. Some of this attrition however has occurred before several of these guys even got on campus (different than Southall) so people may not have noticed as much. Many guys just didn't show up because of grades. I don't have hard stats to back this up (although wouldn't be difficult to formulate), just rather an observation of things that have occurred on Charlie's watch.
     
  14. Horns11

    Horns11 5,000+ Posts

    I think we pretty much get the same amount of attrition each year, other than the purge when Charlie showed up.
     
  15. X Misn Tx

    X Misn Tx 500+ Posts

    i agree. my concern is that it's focused where it was't the deepest position. as little as some may want to admit, a thin middle of the dline might impact outcomes
     
  16. BevoJoe

    BevoJoe 5,000+ Posts

    Sure losses in the DL make us thin. But if those guys can't hack it for whatever reason then good bye and good luck. We don't need a bunch of prima donnas on this team, we need guys that work hard, compete everyday, and want to earn their spot. Obviously, these two think they are better than they are, or want the starting role handed to them. Guys like that fail in the real world everyday.
     
  17. rick mueller

    rick mueller 100+ Posts

    When Charlie signed five DT's in the "errbody" class, I couldn't help but wonder if we would ultimately lose some of them due to a logjam.
     
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  18. easy

    easy 1,000+ Posts

    These 2 guys managed to get into school and do fine when Charlie was here not taking a shot at Herman just stating a fact. They were borderline on the way in and worked to make it a few of those other guys you were talking about that didn't make it were transfers some juco and as history shows it's not easy getting a transfer in here reason why we haven't had a qb show up over the last few years. not every school has the same admissions requirements some of these kids get a let offer in the senior year and commit and find out later hey I need this course that doesn't make them dumb that means they took a fluff class instead of something they could have used for the transcript wasn't that the case with the kid who ended up at OU
     
  19. easy

    easy 1,000+ Posts

  20. ViperHorn

    ViperHorn 5,000+ Posts

    God just does not want Texas to have a TE.
     
  21. LonghornMD

    LonghornMD 100+ Posts

    Nobody is calling any of the kids "dumb". And, yes, I know, UT is a difficult school.

    I'd like to comment more, but it's had to follow what you wrote without punctuation. Not being snarky. Just can't follow where one thought stops and another begins. :confused2:
     
  22. easy

    easy 1,000+ Posts

    Ohhhhhh burn
     
  23. LonghornMD

    LonghornMD 100+ Posts

    :fiestanana:
     
  24. Omniscient.one

    Omniscient.one 100+ Posts

    I just don't see how past players that I couldn't understand even with subtitles during their interviews managed to pass and he couldn't. TBH, if he can't pass given that I don't know if he'd have been reliable to understand schemes and had the elite talent to compensate for it. That said, the scheme may have been as simple as tackle the guy with the ball. Never a good thing to lose players but I see Elliot as a much larger loss
     
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