Ingram

Discussion in 'On The Field' started by wadster, Sep 24, 2019.

  1. ViperHorn

    ViperHorn 5,000+ Posts

    Not to worry - there are several variations off of that set.
     
  2. Pomspoms

    Pomspoms 1,000+ Posts

    Personally that distraction is a minor one. Oklahoma will not have to spend a lot of time preparing for that play.
     
  3. Pomspoms

    Pomspoms 1,000+ Posts

    Duvernay is a Jamal Charles with better hands. On his touchdown run when he got thru the line he did a skip jump around someone then from 5 yards out he bolted up the middle which made me go "wow" who is that, then I saw that it was Duvernay. For me he would be the first receiver I would pick in the draft. He's just that talented. Someone said he would be a perfect fit for the Patriots and I agree with that. But I think he will be long gone before they get that choice.
     
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  4. dukesteer

    dukesteer 2,500+ Posts

    Completely agree.
    This won’t sound very nice but I’m getting a bit tired of the constant excuses for Ingram.

    “He expects too much of himself.”

    “He’s too hardness on himself.”

    “He’s a late bloomer.”

    IMO, unless he has been constantly injured — and perhaps that IS the issue, we may just have to accept the fact that Ingram may never be the back, the threat, that we all had hoped he would be. While that’s a disappointment, because our RB options are limited this year, we may just have to accept that our running game does not strike fear into our opponents. Bummer. Just imagine how potent our offense would be if we did have a strong threat at the position?

    And absolutely, RJ is indeed developing into a very good runner. In fact, I’d say that RJ is the player that is blooming right before our eyes.
     
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  5. Pomspoms

    Pomspoms 1,000+ Posts

    Rojo is is no home run hitter he is good for about 2-15 yards and keontay is much the same way maybe bijan will be a home run hitter we'll see.
    But not to belabor the point, Duvernay as a rb he would be, without a doubt a home run hitter. He is fast and strong, good vision and wiggle plus determined. I'd like to see him get 15 to 17 carries in a game just to see what he would accomplish. But that's not going to happen.
    I wish he would have gotten 10 receptions. One time he was interfered with. Another time he was stripped of the ball as he was catching it-good play on their part. Etc
     
  6. militaryhorn

    militaryhorn Cocky & Relaxed Like Dionysus

    The difference between KI and RJ is RJ has just started to play the position since middle school, I think, and KI has been playing it for the last 6 years at least. RJ has shown he can play the position and is better at it than a six year veteran.
     
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  7. wadster

    wadster 5,000+ Posts

    Duverney gets plenty of runs at tail back. It's called that sideways pass to get him the ball in space. Same as a run, just where he starts with the ball.
     
  8. Pomspoms

    Pomspoms 1,000+ Posts

    What you said kind of does not make any sense if RJ started at middle school then his experience would be about 4-5 years. it's hardly diff3rence for 5 years running the ball and 6 years. Now if you saying that RJ has been a qb and this his first year rb i would counter that saying he's running qb and is accustomed to running like a rb. Rojo still needs practice at making people miss tackles. Sam is better at that than Rojo who i certainly hope gets better.
     
  9. militaryhorn

    militaryhorn Cocky & Relaxed Like Dionysus

    You are assuming that he played that position prior to middle school. I didn't say that he was all world out there but the eye test tells me he has better vision and runs better with the ball than KI.
     
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  10. wadster

    wadster 5,000+ Posts

    There is a big difference in running as a QB and running as a RB. As a RB you have to keep your pad level much lower. As a QB you run more straight up. To play RB for the 1st time since middle school and go for 121 is amazing. RJ has been simply amazing. Without him I hate to think where we'd be.
     
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  11. MajesticII

    MajesticII 500+ Posts

    Our RBs are handicapped ..... They are coached to be, " SLOW to the hole and fast through the hole." How the hell are you supposed to be fast through a hole if you don't get GOING..... All my years of football I learned and taught ," HIT THE HOLE QUICK AND HARD, and look for cutback lanes etc as you go." All SLOW to the hole does is give the defense time to close up the hole and for LBs to fill their gaps. Its crazy.....and thats why we have a weak running game....On top of that we always run up the 2/3 hole, maybe the 4/5 once in a while..with a change in blocking here and there....No sweeps quick pitches etc.....VANILLA
     
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  12. SabreHorn

    SabreHorn 5,000+ Posts

    Maj,

    That's the difference in Ingram. Watch his HS tapes and the playoff games. He is closer to the line, hits the hole quick, then the crease and is gone. We create no crease to hit.
     
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  13. dukesteer

    dukesteer 2,500+ Posts

    I really believe this has much less to do with coaching, and more to do with talent. Great running backs find the holes, get to and through the holes, have balance and break tackles. Could Ingram be better coached? Perhaps. I’ll leave that to the experts. But if the # 2 RB who hasn’t played the position since middle school is already more of a threat than the # 1, that tells me all I need to know.

    What I also know is that if we can’t run the ball Saturday it’ll be a problem.
     
  14. Austin_Bill

    Austin_Bill 1,000+ Posts

    Nope, using it when we did, is much more effective going into RRSO. So far this season we have had about 5 or 6 trick plays we have used. blowu is going to have to use valuable practice time preparing for each of them. The more they have to prepare for, they less they will be ready for what we normally do.
     
  15. Austin_Bill

    Austin_Bill 1,000+ Posts

    People don't understand that if RJ was the starter he would be much less productive than he is coming off the bench. Teams are preparing for Ingram and that takes away from his effectiveness.

    Make Roshon the starter and he might be more effective for a game or two but he will lose his effectiveness quickly and we will be back to the same conversation.

    This game was about our offensive line not handling business like they should have. We did okay on pass protection but they ran a lot of stunts and run blitzes that we couldn't handle.

    You can bet other teams will follow this pattern moving forward, especially blowu. Hope we are ready for it next Saturday.
     
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  16. zuckercanyon

    zuckercanyon 1,000+ Posts

    Well I can't wait for them to prepare for RJ and get Ingram, so this theory can be tested......btw, what's the status on Ingram's injury?
     
  17. dukesteer

    dukesteer 2,500+ Posts

    AB, respectfully, I’m not buying it. In fact, I hope Herman tests your theory Saturday. This has to do with the effectiveness of the player, not how the defense prepares for one RB versus the other.

    I actually believe that RJ can be a pretty effective college RB. In fact, he already is. His vision is better than Ingram’s, and unlike KI, he rarely gets stopped for a loss or no gain. The kid seems to find creases and pushes forward for extra yardage on most carries. I wanted the same to be true for Ingram... He was the second best back last year and he appears to be the second best back this year.
     
  18. Walking Boss

    Walking Boss 1,000+ Posts

    Ingram is just ok. If the play is blocked for three yards he will get you three yards. If it’s blocked for one yard that’s what you will get. Maybe his running skill set doesn’t fit the scheme. R. Johnson seems to find the crease much faster and more effectively than Ingram. With RJ if it’s blocked for three he seems to get six to eight yards. Kirk Johnson appeared to have a quick explosion on his couple of carries and it seems he should have gotten more but maybe his blocking and blitz pickup kept him off the field.
     
  19. Statalyzer

    Statalyzer 10,000+ Posts

    Foreman only played in garbage time his freshman year and got like a dozen carries. His sophomore year he didn't really show much until he broke out with that 80ish yard run against Oklahoma to setup our final touchdown.
     
  20. zuckercanyon

    zuckercanyon 1,000+ Posts

    Hey how is Chris Warren III doing in the NFL?
     
  21. LAGA4

    LAGA4 250+ Posts

    I know our Online is much better than it was 3 years ago, but Oklahoma exposed them some Saturday.

    The running game has not really been dominate in the games we have played this year and not all of it was on the running backs. The criticism of the coaching is warranted to some extent. There seems to be a lot of things to blame our relatively poor running game on, not excluding injuries.

    Running game has been my biggest offensive disappointment this year.
     
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    Last edited: Oct 16, 2019
  22. dukesteer

    dukesteer 2,500+ Posts

    While this is true, it wasn’t because of a lack of talent or production on the field. From his first few carries it was apparent that Foreman was special.

    I was huge believer in Warren. I’m not sure what happened but part of his issue may have been that he got too big. Bigger and stronger in a running back is not always better.
     
  23. MajesticII

    MajesticII 500+ Posts

    It will continue to disappoint unless we get tOSU talent on the OL, a first round pick at QB and RB, and 1st to 3rd round picks at WRs. For Herman's offense to work against really good defenses he has to have a huge talent advantage...( and NO.... LSU does not have their usual great defense, as you will see when they face Bama. LSU is giving up 35 points a game to teams with a pulse. )
     
  24. Statalyzer

    Statalyzer 10,000+ Posts

    Maybe you saw it, but most people didn't at that point.
     

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