Obama's parting gifts to the American people

Discussion in 'West Mall' started by Joe Fan, Nov 18, 2016.

  1. Joe Fan

    Joe Fan 10,000+ Posts

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  2. Joe Fan

    Joe Fan 10,000+ Posts

    Wonder who is going to end up bailing out the People's Republic of Illinois?

  3. Brad Austin

    Brad Austin 2,500+ Posts

    The Libs in Illinois foolishly believe raising state income tax rates will combat the problem. Even worse they already have the 7th highest sales tax rate in the country.

    Typical Lib logic thinks raising taxes equals more revenue to pay expenses. :rolleyes1: They completely ignore the offsetting flight and far more harmful economic consequences.

    This is exactly why DT is trying to drastically lower the US corp tax rate. Sky high rates cause massive flight and harm to the economy far outweighs higher tax collections.

    Lower rates typically don't cause a strong decline in tax collections as more companies relocate back to the system and every dollar they contribute is pure gain.

    We won't even get into what remittances under open border policies does to the economy. But as usual it's another thing CA leaders ignore at the peril of their economy.

    It's clear as day the Libs running the show in CA and IL have no f'n clue how economics and finance works.

    Higher individual state income tax, higher corp state income tax, AND higher sales and local tax. Hmmmm, I wonder why people/businesses are fleeing...

    CA (ind) - 8+% on income over $50k
    CA (corp) - 8.84%
    CA (sales tax) - 8.25% (state and local)

    IL (ind) - 4.95% (increasing from 3.75%)
    IL (corp) - 7% (increasing from 5.25%)
    IL (sales tax) - 8.64% (state and local)

    TX (ind) - none
    TX (corp) - 1% (at highest category)
    TX (sales tax) - 8.19% (state and local)
    Last edited: Jul 1, 2017
  4. militaryhorn

    militaryhorn I've Been Working on the Railroad...

    Maybe CA and IL can get together and have a Paying the Bills Ban. That might help in their predicament.
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  5. Brad Austin

    Brad Austin 2,500+ Posts

    Wow...Obama's incompetence and frivolous wasting of public funds is endless.

    Phones for Dead People: GAO Report Uncovers Massive Fraud in ‘Obamaphone’ Program

    The Government Accountability Office did a 3-year study and found 3.8 million people with free ObamaPhone's (and free service) and are likely ineligible.

    Some people are using names of the deceased, some are second phones for same person, and others couldn't prove they were eligible.

    What I found even more absurd about the program...

    Consumers are directly paying (service charge on bill) for the cell service of the 10.6 million Americans who have a free ObamaPhone. $9 billion worth from 2013-16.

    "Originally conceived during the Reagan administration, Lifeline was initially meant to provide poor people with a phone in case of an emergency or, as time went on, to apply for a job.

    Administered by the Federal Communications Commission, Lifeline now requires telecommunication companies (At&t, Verizon, Sprint) to pay a percentage of their voice service revenues into a pool called the Universal Service Fund that is administered by an independent nonprofit company called the Universal Service Administrative Company. Telecom companies pass on the cost of their contributions to consumers, whose monthly bill includes a “universal service fee” charge.

    The three-year GAO investigation found that the program has put away more than “$9 billion, as of September 2016 outside the Department of the Treasury in a private bank account.”
  6. militaryhorn

    militaryhorn I've Been Working on the Railroad...

    Are you saying there is fraud, waste, and abuse within a government program?

    Alert the press, this is a first!

    Oh wait, it happened during Obama's term, guess very little will be reported on this event.
  7. mchammer

    mchammer 2,500+ Posts

    Seriously, Illinois should raise the sales tax to 20% to solve their fiscal issues. Less people on the payroll (due to mass exodus) is what their liberal politicians deserve.
  8. mchammer

    mchammer 2,500+ Posts

    At some point, give the people the consequences of what they voted for. Innocent victims? Sure, but consider it advanced warning for even worst behavior in the future.
    Last edited: Jul 2, 2017
  9. Joe Fan

    Joe Fan 10,000+ Posts

    Illinois is America's Venezuela

  10. Clean

    Clean 2,500+ Posts

  11. Seattle Husker

    Seattle Husker 5,000+ Posts

  12. Clean

    Clean 2,500+ Posts

    That's a fair point, nationalism is not the same as patriotism. A nationalist relishes his country's culture and heritage. A patriot loves his country, but isn't necessarily a nationalist.

    Trump is a nationalist and a patriot. I don't think there's any doubt he loves America.

    Obama is a globalist. He wants to do away with our borders and seems ashamed of our heritage. I would rate Obama as tepid when it comes to patriotism. He sought the Presidency because he wanted to change the country as much as possible, not because he loved it. He accelerated the movement to rewrite American history. You'll note that he's the only one in the article's picture that doesn't have his hand over his heart.
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  13. Seattle Husker

    Seattle Husker 5,000+ Posts

    True, Obama is definitely not a nationalist. I'd argue he so believes in American ideals that he pushed the rest of the world to adopt them (see: Arab Spring). That unfettered idealism may have been his greatest weakness. Careful about judging that picture from a website with an agenda.

    Trump is an egoist and a narcissist. He's adopted a nationalist and patriotist stance because it was to his advantage. There is no more depth than that for this POTUS.
  14. Joe Fan

    Joe Fan 10,000+ Posts

    The National Security Agency and Federal Bureau of Investigation violated specific civil liberty protections during the Obama years by improperly searching and disseminating raw intelligence on Americans or failing to promptly delete unauthorized intercepts, according to newly declassified memos that provide some of the richest detail to date on the spy agencies’ ability to obey their own rules.

  15. iatrogenic

    iatrogenic 1,000+ Posts

    Obama is guilty of the very things he criticized in his speech.
    Last edited: Aug 11, 2017
  16. Joe Fan

    Joe Fan 10,000+ Posts

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  17. Joe Fan

    Joe Fan 10,000+ Posts

    This should go well

    He did such a great job building them up the past 8 years.
    They've grown by about (-1000) seats total since he became President.
    I'm excited for him to resume his work

  18. Joe Fan

    Joe Fan 10,000+ Posts

  19. Joe Fan

    Joe Fan 10,000+ Posts

    I guess they were waiting on Obama to get to a non-extradition country?

    "A federal judge has ordered the Internal Revenue Service to release the names of specific employees involved in targeting Tea Party groups, after years of litigation over what conservatives have long called “chilling” behavior by one of the government’s “most feared” agencies.

    Judge Reggie B. Walton of the U.S. District Court for the District of Columbia also said the IRS must provide information about which groups were targeted and why, along with a strategy to make sure such targeting doesn't happen again. ..."


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