The First 100 days

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  1. Joe Fan

    Joe Fan 10,000+ Posts

    The poor Koch Brothers
    They gonna have to hire some actual American citizens now
    What is the world coming to?
     
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  2. Joe Fan

    Joe Fan 10,000+ Posts

  3. Joe Fan

    Joe Fan 10,000+ Posts

    For what its worth, the Koch's are liberal Democrats on immigration. They are even now openly funding Dem politicians on this issue. It's funny to watch Dems take their money, given how much they have hated the Kochs for so long.

    The Kochs also fund groups purportedly neutral on immigration. For example, the rhetoric we've all seen that illegal aliens supposedly commit less crime than actual American citizens, came from a Koch funded group. It's bogus of course. But the media doesnt seem to care about that or that they are being tooled by the Kochs.

    I am not sure if any of their groups can be trusted anymore. Or Republican politicians financially connected to them (for example, Paul Ryan and Scott Walker). Some of the groups they fund are -- Americans for Prosperity (AFP), the Libre Initiative, the National Federation of Independent Business, the Mercatus Center, the Institute for Humane Studies, FreedomWorks, the Institute for Justice, the Competitive Enterprise Institute, the Institute for Energy Research, the Manhattan Institute, the Reason Foundation, the George C. Marshall Institute, the American Enterprise Institute, Generation Opportunity, the Fraser Institute, the Foundation for Accountability and Civic Trust

    Political activities of the Koch brothers - Wikipedia
     
  4. Monahorns

    Monahorns 1,000+ Posts

    Koch brothers are libertarians, and open movement of people is a part of left libertarianism. They focus on freedom in general so it aligns with everything else they are about. There is a logical argument that can be made for their position and they are consistent.

    I don't agree with them. There are many reasons why you shouldn't treat humans the same as economic goods, which is the big mistake they make in my opinion.
     
  5. Joe Fan

    Joe Fan 10,000+ Posts

    "Libertarians" who, by the way, increase their profits by employing a lot of illegal aliens over citizens. More like libertarian for convenience or when it's convenient.

    By the way, that chicken raid was not the first incident of this nature for them. The Koch Foods Plant in Ohio paid a $500K fine over an ICE raid back in 2007. So, from my perspective, this is not about principle for them. Rather they use principle to cover for them advancing their own financial self-interest. It's what Gordon Gekko said it was.
    $500K fine for immigration violations paid by Koch Foods
     
  6. LongestHorn

    LongestHorn 1,000+ Posts

    U.S. Representative Kenny Marchant, representing areas from Carrollton to Southlake, is the latest Texas Republican to announce his retirement.

    The other three are Representatives Will Hurd (TX-23), Pete Olson (TX-22), and Mike Conaway (TX-11).

    Ross Ramsey, the co-founder and executive editor of the Texas Tribune, has a term for the latest departures:

    The Texodus.
     
  7. Monahorns

    Monahorns 1,000+ Posts

    They are consistent in their principle's so I don't know how you would be able to observe that.
     
  8. Mr. Deez

    Mr. Deez 10,000+ Posts

    Marchant and Olson aren't used to having to fight to win reelection. They basically got into this gig assuming that their districts were solid red. They'd get token opposition from time to time but easily win without much effort. Now they have Trump pissing away the suburbs, and it's changing the politics of their districts. Dick-slapping doesn't sell well in the suburbs. It never has.

    Conaway's district is solid red and Trump-friendly. He's not worried about getting reelected. He's a former committee chair who wants the gavel back, and his retirement signals that he doesn't think he's going to get it back anytime soon.
     
  9. Joe Fan

    Joe Fan 10,000+ Posts

     
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  10. Seattle Husker

    Seattle Husker 10,000+ Posts

    Trumps already trying to undercut his previous support for Red Flag laws? That was fast.
     
  11. Monahorns

    Monahorns 1,000+ Posts

    It's stupid tweets like that which are the reason conservatives are afraid of red flag laws. It shows how easily they can be corrupted to be used for injustice and not protection.
     
  12. horninchicago

    horninchicago 2,500+ Posts

    Thus, it seems like a smart tweet to me. Point out to those wanting those laws just how dangerous and slippery slope they can be. I posted previously that I think the ACLU would have a field day with those laws.
     
  13. Joe Fan

    Joe Fan 10,000+ Posts

    Is there a chance everyone who voted for Trump would not be red flagged?
    Any chance at all?
     
  14. Joe Fan

    Joe Fan 10,000+ Posts

  15. Garmel

    Garmel 1,000+ Posts

    Twitter is trending TrumpRecession. It never ceases to amaze me how dangerously uninformed so many people are.
     
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  16. Garmel

    Garmel 1,000+ Posts

    The clowns that were blaming Trump for El Paso are now mysteriously quiet.

     
  17. Joe Fan

    Joe Fan 10,000+ Posts

    14 miles. It's something I guess
     
  18. Horn2RunAgain

    Horn2RunAgain 250+ Posts

    The floor of a bldg. housing ICE personnel in San Antonio gets riddled with bullets

    The Castro brothers should get the same hatred from CNN, MSNBC etc that Trump rec'd all last week. But it won't happen. #voterBacklashIn2020
     
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  19. Monahorns

    Monahorns 1,000+ Posts

    Red flag laws are only written for employers, families, and close friends. The same kind of people that would be involved in an intervention for drug addiction. In this case it would be for a trend toward violence.
     
  20. UTChE96

    UTChE96 1,000+ Posts

    If political speech is inciting gun violence then perhaps we should start limiting the 1st Amendment.

    Tongue firmly in cheek, but that would be a more logical step than limiting the gun rights of law abiding citizens.
     
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  21. Horn6721

    Horn6721 10,000+ Posts

    here is Washington state's Red Flag law
    "
    Seattle, WA— A law that went into effect in 2017 introduced the Extreme Risk Protection Order (ERPO), which allows law enforcement in the state of Washington to confiscate a gun owner’s firearms if the owner is deemed a threat to themselves or others by a judge. This law, also referred to as a “red flag” gun law, has led Seattle to become Washington’s first city to use the law to confiscate a firearm from an individual.

    Acting as petitioners, law enforcement agencies, blood-related and adopted relatives, married partners, romantic partners, current and former roommates, and people holding other certain specific associations can apply for an ERPO in Washington against a gun-owning individual considered to be an “extreme risk.”

    Former roommates? People holding other specific associations>
    Would that include the dry cleaner?
    This is scary
     
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  22. Seattle Husker

    Seattle Husker 10,000+ Posts

    A "new" wall that replaces the old wall. To date, all walls have been replacement walls.
     
  23. Horn6721

    Horn6721 10,000+ Posts

    If those "replacement walls" are better than the old walls at keeping illegals out then it is a good thing.
     
  24. Mr. Deez

    Mr. Deez 10,000+ Posts

    It doesn't matter. There optics were the only thing anyone really cared about.
     
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  25. Monahorns

    Monahorns 1,000+ Posts

    I agree. The scariest part is that it allowed law enforcement agencies to use this as justification for confiscation. I would not support the Washington law.
     
  26. Mr. Deez

    Mr. Deez 10,000+ Posts

    We could just buy Greenland. Link.
     
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  27. iatrogenic

    iatrogenic 1,000+ Posts

    The "optics" and the fact that the new wall has decreased apprehensions by 43%.
     
  28. mchammer

    mchammer 5,000+ Posts

    This is not a new issue. Been around since the 70’s, I think.
     
  29. Mr. Deez

    Mr. Deez 10,000+ Posts

    Maybe, but I've never heard of it. Frankly, I don't see a lot of upside to it. It's pretty poor and doesn't have much of an economy. It has significant strategic value, but Greenland has been pretty cooperative with the US despite it being pretty far-left. In fact, we have a pretty important military base on the Northwestern coast of Greenland (Thule Air Base). In light of that, I don't see what we gain by annexing the whole country.
     
  30. Sangre Naranjada

    Sangre Naranjada Liquor Man

    A "cool" place to put all of our radical leftists?
     
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