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  1. LongestHorn

    LongestHorn 1,000+ Posts

    POTUS said so. At 2:40. He was very specific. He even mentions they had a permit. Counter protesters did not.

    Who was the organizer with the permit? Fine people at Unite the Right.
     
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  2. Garmel

    Garmel 1,000+ Posts

    Facts don't matter to Longesthorn.
     
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  3. mchammer

    mchammer 5,000+ Posts

    Yes, Trump was specific that he was referring to fine people and that didn’t include nazi’s and white supremacists. According to wiki, there were no permits issued for Friday, only Saturday. So, Trump must have been referring to the events on Saturday. Here is the transcript (see below). He wasn’t talking about the events on Friday. He said on Friday night he looked at who was supposed to be where: protesters at Lee Park and counter protesters at two other parks. He had already said the protesters included fine people along with the Nazi’s and white supremacists. This is not complicated or a conspiracy.

    “I looked the night before -- if you look, there were people protesting very quietly the taking down of the statue of Robert E. Lee. ... You had a lot of people in that group that were there to innocently protest, and very legally protest -- because I don’t know if you know, they had a permit. The other group didn’t have a permit.”
     
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  4. Garmel

    Garmel 1,000+ Posts

    You know that he won't admit to the fact that he fell for fake news.
     
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  5. Sangre Naranjada

    Sangre Naranjada Liquor Man

    To him it's not fake news. It's the very lifeblood upon which he lives.
     
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  6. LongestHorn

    LongestHorn 1,000+ Posts

    He must have. Yep. That’s it. He just MUST have.
     
  7. mchammer

    mchammer 5,000+ Posts

    This is what cognitive dissonance looks like.
     
  8. Mr. Deez

    Mr. Deez 10,000+ Posts

    What's remarkable to me is that admitting that the media's characterization is wrong doesn't make Trump a good guy or his policies good. People can still debate those points all day long and can still debate whether or not he should be reelected. They can even debate whether or not Trump is a racist. Someone isn't defined by one incident.

    Despite that, he can't admit that he's wrong even with conclusive proof right in front of his face. I'm not surprised. I saw this coming when I raised the issue, but it's still remarkable how rabid partisanship and contempt can blind someone to reality.
     
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  9. LongestHorn

    LongestHorn 1,000+ Posts

    Michelle Piercy has been repeatedly marched out as evidence that good people who drove to the rally and did not know it was a nazi rally.

    We know that’s a lie. Are you prepared to dispute it?

    So then who were these many fine people who traveled to the rally?

    Fact is, it was a white power rally organized by racists and for racists. The only permit issued that weekend was issued to racists. That is not in dispute. And when the POTUS was watching the peaceful fine people quietly holding their tiki torches on TV Friday night, he was watching white power/militia.

    I heard the POTUS say he condemned the racist protestors. His problem is that all the protesters who attended the rally that weekend were racists. Dozens of groups. All racist.

    Is there evidence to the contrary? Show me.
     
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  10. iatrogenic

    iatrogenic 1,000+ Posts

    Well, it looks like he condemned everyone at the rally based upon your irrefutable, iron clad evidence (I assume you have all of the names and the details on every individual at your disposal). Too bad for you that Trump's expressly stated condemnation of neo-nazis and white nationalists ends your false accusation and incessant, childlike whining of racism that serves no point whatsoever.
     
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  11. Phil Elliott

    Phil Elliott 1,000+ Posts

    I can't believe so many of you are still trying to reason with this guy.
     
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  12. Sangre Naranjada

    Sangre Naranjada Liquor Man

    This is the first time I've ever noticed LongestHorn talk about racism. Where do you get the word incessant from?
     
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  13. LongestHorn

    LongestHorn 1,000+ Posts

  14. Mr. Deez

    Mr. Deez 10,000+ Posts

    You won't give two squirts of piss for reasons I've already stated, but there are two problems with this that frankly, have nothing to do with politics but are simple matters of logic. First, to make the assertion you do, you would have to know the politics and activities of literally every man, woman, and child who was in attendance. You don't know and can't know. You simply presume them. I don't know either, but I don't assume them.

    Second, let's assume for the sake of discussion that you do know them all and that they indeed were all racists with no exceptions. That wouldn't prove what you think it proves. It wouldn't prove Trump is a racist. It wouldn't prove that he was calling racists "fine people." It would only prove that he was incorrect about who was present. The bottom line is that he expressly excluded neo-Nazis from any and all positive comments and condemned them. You're coming up with every garbage diversion that you can to ignore or diminish that fact, but there's no escaping it. The self-serving and politically convenient narrative is ********* - plain and simple. It has no more support than birtherism - might have even less.
     
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  15. mchammer

    mchammer 5,000+ Posts

    The president and the media were focused on the events and the violence that occurred on Saturday. How is the president or anyone else responsible for a non-publicized event?
     
  16. LongestHorn

    LongestHorn 1,000+ Posts

    What specifically has no more support than birtherism? That I believe Trump is a racist?
     
  17. Sangre Naranjada

    Sangre Naranjada Liquor Man

    You believe most everybody with white skin is a racist.

    I don't think anyone on this forum would doubt for a second that you think Trump is a racist.
     
  18. mchammer

    mchammer 5,000+ Posts

    Factual support.
     
  19. Run Pincher

    Run Pincher 500+ Posts

    Do you think he/she even has the analytical skills to understand the logic you are referring too? From what I've read, I'm not sure he/she can grasp if a=b and b=c then a=c.
     
  20. Mr. Deez

    Mr. Deez 10,000+ Posts

    No, and that's what is so silly about your position. What has no more support than birtherism is the contention that he called neo-Nazis "fine people."

    Like I said earlier, one isn't defined by one statement or incident. That goes both ways. You can still argue that he's a racist based on other things he has said or done. For example, you weren't here during the campaign, but I took flack for calling the Judge Curiel comment racist. It's not as sexy, because it happened 3 years ago and nobody got hurt, but at least it was real.

    Going the other way, Joe Biden's "clean and articulate" comment is one of the most racist things I've ever heard a politician in the modern era say. He basically called every black person who has run for president dirty, incoherent, stupid, and scary. Does that mean Joe Biden has a white robe and hood in his closet? No.
     
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  21. Mr. Deez

    Mr. Deez 10,000+ Posts

    Yes, I think he does. This is poor logic caused by partisanship and contempt, not stupidity.
     
  22. Monahorns

    Monahorns 2,500+ Posts

    Stupid is as stupid does.
     
  23. Garmel

    Garmel 1,000+ Posts

    LongestHorn only cares about racism when it comes from those he views as conservatives. I've never heard him denounce the squad's antisemitism.
     
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  24. Monahorns

    Monahorns 2,500+ Posts

    I think this article clarifies LongestHorn's motivation for focusing on racism so much. He first and foremost is a Progressive Democrat and he probably knows the electoral reality. He is just ruthlessly and deceptively doing what must be done for his tribe.

    President Trump and the Black Vote | National Review
     
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  25. UTChE96

    UTChE96 1,000+ Posts

    Great article. Dems and the MSM are doing their best to manipulate black voters. They know they cannot win back Pennsylvania and Ohio without a higher turnout of black voters. Its truly shameful.
     
  26. Run Pincher

    Run Pincher 500+ Posts

    Of course. Have you ever known of a Liberal that wasn't a hypocrite?
     
  27. OUBubba

    OUBubba 1,000+ Posts

    I think the election of the first black president did more to harm the cause of equal opportunity than anyone could have imagined. Remember the Tea Party? They were out in full force to stop the socialist Kenyan with the national debt as their stated cause. The national debt at the time was under $11 trillion. The movement has somehow died despite Trump's wailing away at the national debt.

    A good old boy that I know has a son who my daughter considers her best friend. They are going to take care of mine if we perish in a plane crash. He's pretty conservative....I think. He's a part time cattleman and works a factory job. He relayed his paper mill experience to me. He's been there since the late 1980's. He said, "we never talked politics at work. Always football, fishing, etc. Then Obama got elected. Now all they talk about is stinking politics. I didn't realize how racist some of them were..."
     
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  28. Garmel

    Garmel 1,000+ Posts

    Good point.
     
  29. nashhorn

    nashhorn 2,500+ Posts

    You know OU I agree. I just don’t think it was the ‘first black President’, I think it was Obama.
     
  30. Mr. Deez

    Mr. Deez 10,000+ Posts

    On other issues, yes. On race? No.
     

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