The Media Industry

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  1. Joe Fan

    Joe Fan 10,000+ Posts

    I wouldnt mind if he was consistent. That has always seem to me to be the minimal we should expect from our media. Treat them the same. But Wallace pulls punches with Dems (when he can get them to appear). I suspect he feels like he is constantly fighting against the negative perception from the rest of the media about Fox News. In this sense, his audience is his peers in the media, instead of viewers/voters.. This is a huge mistake by him. A deadly flaw.
     
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  2. Mr. Deez

    Mr. Deez 10,000+ Posts

    I watched Fox News Sunday this morning. What exactly did Wallace do that was so "CNN-like?"
     
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  3. Joe Fan

    Joe Fan 10,000+ Posts

    Look at this byllsyte from CNN
    Germany: Car plows 'intentionally' into Volkmarsen carnival crowd - CNN

    A car plowed into a crowd of people at a carnival parade in the German town of Volkmarsen, police in Kassel said Monday.

    A police spokesman said that according to eyewitness accounts, the car "intentionally" rammed into the crowd at around 2.30 p.m. local time (8:30 a.m. ET).
     
  4. Sangre Naranjada

    Sangre Naranjada Liquor Man

    Damn those evil cars, taking control away from the (innocent?) (Muslim?) driver to plow into a crowd of people!
     
  5. Mr. Deez

    Mr. Deez 10,000+ Posts

    Please don't encourage Germany to ban cars. They might take that seriously. They already ban diesels in several cities and make it cost a fortune to drive.
     
  6. LongestHorn

    LongestHorn 1,000+ Posts

     
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  7. iatrogenic

    iatrogenic 1,000+ Posts

    I have zero problem with purging the government. In fact, I support anyone willing to do so.
     
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  8. Sangre Naranjada

    Sangre Naranjada Liquor Man

    The Federal government. States should be supreme in most aspects of governance.
     
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  9. mchammer

    mchammer 5,000+ Posts

    He’s free to speak but not on my nickel.
     
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  10. Mr. Deez

    Mr. Deez 10,000+ Posts

    I'm getting paywalled and won't subscribe to the Washington Post, so I can read the article. However, I assume it's defending Joe Maguire from getting removed from his position. (He apparently wasn't actually fired.). I can accept the argument that he shouldn't have been fired. That's debatable.

    What I'm not a fan of is Schmidt's claim that this "doesn't happen in democracies." Two reasons why. First, yes it does, especially with people who are "acting" and not permanent. Presidents pack senior positions with loyalists and people who support their agenda and see the world as they do. There's a reason why Obama didn't keep Mike McConnell.

    Second and more disturbing, the presumption of his comment is that the bureaucracy represents democracy more than the duly elected President of the United States. To them, government by bureaucracy, judiciary, and supranational institutions represent democracy, but government by elected officials is not. These guys honestly don't know what democracy is.
     
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  11. Monahorns

    Monahorns 2,500+ Posts

    Democracy currently is a brand name or label for what political elites want (i.e. the opposite of democracy).

    One of Trump's weaknesses as a leader has been his inability to identify his policy opponents in the Executive Branch and replace them with people who want the same policy as Trump. It is what political appointment is all about. This one of the risks of not have a career politician elected, they don't know all the ins and outs of how to implement their policy. Trump appoints and promotes his opponents often for lack of the insider knowledge. It cuts both ways.

    My first comment was more about this comment. Democracy is now propaganda used to manipulate people. There simply isn't much left in the Federal government and they have their hands in everything nowadays.

    Even NGOs. They were mostly founded in the Progressive Era to promote Progressive policy. They were the intelligentsia attaching scientific and/or expert reporting to support Progressives' political action. They still fulfill the same purpose. Remember that the next time you here "reports say..." following by a recommendation for a new law, agency, or government program. The reports don't produce the recommendation they justify it.
     
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  12. Joe Fan

    Joe Fan 10,000+ Posts

    Supposed to be interesting
     
  13. Monahorns

    Monahorns 2,500+ Posts

    Just, think about this. A news corporation, ABC, is accused of having an agenda. How does that happen? News media makes their living by simply reporting the events of the day, putting them in historical and philosophical context. But to have an agenda a list of news items they want promoted and ignored, shows that some other interest is involved.

    I have mentioned the CIA influence of news media several times on hornfans. ABC having an agenda to push is the fruit of this. It makes sense too. What happens commonly with government employees? The military retire early and get jobs with defense contractors or in industries where their military experience had some overlap. The revolving door of industry and regulatory agency is a real thing we are all familiar with. It is the basis of Regulatory Capture theory.

    So what does someone in the intelligence community do when they retire or look to change jobs? Their experience most aligns with news media, the gathering and disseminating of information. I have read there is a revolving door between news media and the intelligence community, (a.k.a the Deep State). It is very plausible that this is the case. It is also very plausible that the Deep State uses those personal connections to their advantage.
     
  14. Mr. Deez

    Mr. Deez 10,000+ Posts

    Sometimes it's a matter of regulatory capture, but it frequently isn't. It depends on what the retiree did while he was in the military. For example, my grandfather retired from the Navy and went to work for a defense contractor that built satellites. However, he wasn't a regulator of any kind. He was a pilot and aerospace engineer.

    This happens for two reasons. First, military personnel are eligible for retirement at a very young age. My grandad was only 47. Second, defense contractors will pay them a shitload. His military pay was respectable, but the defense contractor made him wealthy.

    Undoubtedly, some do this, especially senior officials. However, it's worth noting that that there aren't enough respectable media jobs for most to do it. Does the intelligence community exploit the connections that it does have? No question about it.

    Nevertheless, the media doesn't have an entirely positive relationship with the intelligence community. It depends on what the issue is and depends on which media we're talking about. Most mainstream media outlets are just rank partisan hacks. When the intelligence community's narrative helps Democrats, they are coming unquestioning. (See the Trump-Russia issue.) However, when the issue helps Republicans, they will still listen to the intelligence community, but they will give a platform to skeptics and take them seriously. (See the Iraq WMD issue.) If we're talking about Fox News, the roles flip.
     
  15. Joe Fan

    Joe Fan 10,000+ Posts

    I often wonder how US media retains any credibility at all
    When Beto was running against Ted Cruz, the media thought he was the greatest thing since corn tortillas.
    But they reversed field without a shred of self-awareness when he then pivoted to run against Elizabeth Warren
    This is from Jan 2019
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  16. Joe Fan

    Joe Fan 10,000+ Posts

     
  17. Monahorns

    Monahorns 2,500+ Posts

    I don't have any incontrovertible proof, but I have read things about CIA agents going to work in the major broadcasting companies in significant numbers. It isn't always retirees.

    I agree it isn't always positive to the intelligence community. But I have a hard time thinking of an examples where ABC, NBC, CBS have spoken against the CIA/FBI narrative since Bush. Something shifted during the Obama administration. He campaigned on bringing troops home, ending wars and such. Then when he was elected his foreign policy was very NeoCon, except for the Iran Nuclear deal. Again, no first hand knowledge but it seems like some alliances were forged in that time. Now the CIA/FBI are obviously against Trump most times, except when he bombs Syria or backs some aggressive action in the Middle East. Only then do you hear any positive news about him outside of Fox News.
     
  18. UTChE96

    UTChE96 1,000+ Posts

    Notice that no one from the MSM ever attempts to explain why the Russians would want Trump or any Republican POTUS to be elected. It simply defies logic.

    Russia has a commodity based economy. They struggle when oil prices are low. The anti-fracking / anti-O&G faction of the Democratic party is the Kremlin's wet dream. Trump has also put pressure on Germany and other European countries to reduce their dependence on Russian energy.

    Then you get into military spending and strength. This is a no-brainer. Democratic presidents have typically cut military spending and gone softer on our NATO allies in terms of their military spending commitments.

    This is one of the most poorly constructed conspiracy theories in the history of American politics.
     
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  19. Joe Fan

    Joe Fan 10,000+ Posts

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  20. Joe Fan

    Joe Fan 10,000+ Posts

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  21. Mr. Deez

    Mr. Deez 10,000+ Posts

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  22. Joe Fan

    Joe Fan 10,000+ Posts

    Another sad, lonely, unattractive white menopausal woman, bitter at her dad and the husband who left her, choosing to blame Trump for everything
    Go figure

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  23. Horn6721

    Horn6721 Half of seeming clever is keeping your mouth shut.

    ^ she meant that as a joke, right?
     
  24. Joe Fan

    Joe Fan 10,000+ Posts

    CNN hates the US -- this is how they portray Americans to the world

     
  25. horninchicago

    horninchicago 5,000+ Posts

    Trying to decide which is worse. The fact that stupid people think there is a link or the fact that stupid people think this is important enough to have a survey about it.

    Too close to call.
     
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  26. Horn6721

    Horn6721 Half of seeming clever is keeping your mouth shut.

    Now THIS is a woman who is a credit to her profession.
    CNN commentator attacks black Trump supporters: 'Shame on you'
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    CNN commentator Angela Rye shamed black Trump supporters Thursday, arguing that they credit the president for improvements in their community while ignoring the more substantial work of others.

    "You want to give Donald Trump kudos for throwing Cheez-It bits at you and then criticize the people who have spent their careers doing things for the betterment of black people and black society," Rye said. "And I would just say at that point if you still go over to Donald Trump after that: Shame on you."

    and the profession is not journalism
     
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  27. Mr. Deez

    Mr. Deez 10,000+ Posts

    Apparently a CNN analyst lost his mind when a NFL player called Trump the first black President (when it was actually Bill Clinton). Link.
     
  28. Sangre Naranjada

    Sangre Naranjada Liquor Man

    And apparently he thinks purely symbolic gestures like attending black events (whatever that means) are more important than the significant improvements in job and wage statistics that Trump policies have brought about.
     
  29. LongestHorn

    LongestHorn 1,000+ Posts

     
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  30. Mr. Deez

    Mr. Deez 10,000+ Posts

    An even that is ********, because of how those things get framed. If a Democrat makes public gestures to minorities such as going to "black events" (whatever that means) or appointing minorities to prominent positions, they are "valuing diversity" and "making history." If a Republican does any of that, it's "pandering" and "tokenism."

    Of course, in reality, when any politician does this sort of thing, it's pandering and tokenism.
     

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