The Michael Flynn matter

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  1. Joe Fan

    Joe Fan 10,000+ Posts

    The Michael Flynn case has taken another turn based on a story by Sara Carter.
    The basics are --
    Then General Flynn was a witness for the Plaintiff in a legal action brought against Andrew McCabe
    The case originated back in 2014, two years before President Trump met Flynn.
    It involved workplace sexual discrimination claims against McCabe
    The plaintiff was a decorated anti-terrorism expert
    Flynn, as well as some other high ranking officials who personally knew the plaintiff, had written in support of her. And offered testimony on her behalf in the case.
    So Flynn's position in the case put him at odds with McCabe

    Two years later (2016), McCabe had risen to the level of Deputy Director of the FBI.
    And thus Flynn is now under investigation by the same guy that he was going to testify against back in 2014
    Oh, and the EEOC case is still pending

    If nothing else, there are conflicts of interest that should have risen red flags. But the reality could be worse.
  2. Joe Fan

    Joe Fan 10,000+ Posts

    Furthermore, McCabe is facing three separate federal inquiries into his behavior-

    "Acting FBI Director Andrew McCabe, a central player in the Russia election case, is the focus of three separate federal administrative inquiries into allegations about his behavior as a senior bureau executive, according to documents and interviews.

    The allegations being reviewed range from sexual discrimination to improper political activity, the documents show

    The inquiries remain open but so far there have not been any adverse findings against the senior FBI executive, who soared though the ranks the last few years to become deputy director and acting director since James Comey was fired.

    FBI officials and McCabe declined comment....."

    The 3 inquiries into McCabe are --

    (1) Former special agent Robyn Gritz filed a sexual discrimination and retaliation complaint naming McCabe (and other top FBI officials)

    (2) Gritz also filed a complaint against McCabe with the main federal whistleblower agency in April, alleging Gertz campaigned for his wife’s Virginia state senate race in violation of the Hatch Act. The OSC says that complaint is still being actively investigated.

    (3) The Justice Department IG is investigating allegations from Sen Judiciary Committee Chair Charles Grassley that McCabe may not have properly disclosed campaign payments to his wife on his ethics report and should have recused himself from Hillary Clinton's email case.
  3. Musburger1

    Musburger1 2,500+ Posts

    McCabe's criminality extends far beyond what's mentioned in the article. This is barely the tip of the iceberg.
  4. Brad Austin

    Brad Austin 2,500+ Posts

    McCabe should be dead to rights for violating The Hatch Act by taking part in his wife's donor meeting with Gov. McAuliffe.

    At that time he was head of the FBI's WA office. The very office investigating McAuliffe for, of all things, illegal campaign contributions.

    His FBI profile was part of the briefing materials sent to McAuliffe which clearly demonstrates his FBI position was used for leverage.

    There's also evidence from McAuliffe's office labeling the meeting a candidate recruitment meeting. So the meeting's nature can't be twisted.

    And of course the fat donation check came shortly after said meeting.

    If the Sessions DOJ has any desire to reform the double standards of criminality in this country, McCabe would be a good scalp to begin with.
  5. I35

    I35 5,000+ Posts

    Do you liberal Democrats feel the need to go take a shower after every time you log in on your computer and read the filth of your party? It everyday 24/7! There is probably more filth coming out as I type this. It's impossible to keep up with.
  6. Musburger1

    Musburger1 2,500+ Posts

    Seattlehusker actually defended CNN yesterday following the video disclosure because the producer that admitted the fraudulent coverage didn't cover that particular area. Why 'busker even bothered to give an excuse for CN is beyond me.
  7. Seattle Husker

    Seattle Husker 10,000+ Posts

    I work in IT at my company. Think the Sale Exec knows the details of our IT department? Should our investors assume the Sales Exec is an expert on IT? If you think so, do you mind sharing with me which companies you invest in on the Russian exchange? I'd like to short those companies. Thanks!
  8. Joe Fan

    Joe Fan 10,000+ Posts

    I really dont have an opinion on Flynn. I concede i have not invested the time to fully learn the facts there.

    However, I do have a strong opinion that McCabe should not be anywhere near this investigation. And it is not a close call. It's disappointing to me personally that no one has stepped in before now to force him to step away from it.
  9. Musburger1

    Musburger1 2,500+ Posts

    “It’s a business, people are like the media has an ethical phssssss…All the nice cutesy little ethics that used to get talked about in journalism school you’re just like, that’s adorable. That’s adorable. This is a business,” Bonifield also says.

    What difference does it make what Department he works in? He's a news producer. The above quote illustrates that CNN places zero priorities on ethics. In fact, he mocks the idea of journalistic ethics. And his boss backs him to the hilt. That's all you have to know. If you condone that, I'd guess you have zero ethics too. I'd fire your *** if you worked in my IT department.
  10. Seattle Husker

    Seattle Husker 10,000+ Posts

    You're conflating issues, but of course you know that. I've only spoken to this producer's purported knowledge of any of the Russia coverage. Show me where I spoke to any of his "ethics" quote, which is a separate issue.
  11. Joe Fan

    Joe Fan 10,000+ Posts

    The know it's fake.
    They concede as much in private, at least.
    Yet .......

  12. Joe Fan

    Joe Fan 10,000+ Posts

    What does CNN's model show us?
    It shows they know their audience well.
    And they are lemmings.
  13. Musburger1

    Musburger1 2,500+ Posts

    You can't have it both ways. Either you take his comments at face value - CNN is disseminating fake news and doesn't care about journalistic standards - or you discredit him as a producer talking out of his ***, in which case by backing him, CNN discredits itself. Either way, by defending their garbage you have no leg to stand on.
  14. Seattle Husker

    Seattle Husker 10,000+ Posts

    I'll give you a few minutes to rethink this beautiful logical leap.

    I'm curious...did the remnants of Pravda (the org you work for) contemplate for a second that O'Keefe may have been violating your trademark? Do you still have a trademark on Pravda?
  15. Musburger1

    Musburger1 2,500+ Posts

    Some people just like to argue for the sake of arguing. This topic isn't worth further discussion.
  16. Seattle Husker

    Seattle Husker 10,000+ Posts

    Put forth an argument then. That's not an argument or debate. You crafted a flimsy strawman built on nothing I commented on. I told you as much yet you want to continue. Recognizing that it is very late where you are I can only assume that your tiredness is effecting your reasoning skills.
  17. I35

    I35 5,000+ Posts

    The #1 issue concerning the voters in this last election was the economy. Out of 469 total minute the economy got 5 min of that total. Unbelievable!
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  18. OUBubba

    OUBubba 2,500+ Posts

    Damn. I agree with you 100% here. Stop the presses!
  19. OUBubba

    OUBubba 2,500+ Posts

    From my quick and dirty viewing of the video this was my paraphrasing of it: "There's smoke with the Trump/Russia thing. They've not found anything yet. They may never find anything. We don't know. What we know is that it's good for ratings and they're pushing it." It's the Benghazi of the left at least inasmuch as we're talking about ratings. My personal opinion is that once Mueller's investigation is over it will be significant. But, I've been wrong before. I thought Clint Black was going to be bigger than Garth Brooks. I thought Brandon Daniels and John Blake were going to bring the wishbone back from the grave like the Night's King from Game of Thrones. I thought the Iraq war was about WMD and that it was a good idea.
  20. I35

    I35 5,000+ Posts

    With how easy things are leaked about President Trump, if there was a there there, we would all know already. Hell, they even leaked about the two scoops of ice cream.

    They said the same thing about Big foot

    Benghazi was about a video...... remember?
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  21. Joe Fan

    Joe Fan 10,000+ Posts

    Good timing

    Yesterday, I suggested CNN knows its audience well and manages it coverage based on that knowledge

    Well, less than 24 hours later, here comes yet another undercover video where CNN is caught admitting they know their audience is a bunch of idiots

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  22. Joe Fan

    Joe Fan 10,000+ Posts

  23. Brad Austin

    Brad Austin 2,500+ Posts

    Circa News is quickly carving out a niche for themselves and becoming one of the most reliable sources of facts-based information out there.

    What's the niche? Well investigated stories, careful screening and verification of info from unnamed sources, and a heavy reliance on factual support and named sources.

    The other unique, critical virtue that sets them apart is they don't express an opinion in articles or urge the reader to make a conclusion.

    They simply lay out the subject, flood it with facts, and allow the readers to judge.

    Of course they also include unnamed sources due to the highly sensitive subjects.

    Though the heavy use of facts coupled with named sources in articles seems to provide more credibility capital than slanted MSM when citing unnamed sources.

    I've seen at least five major stories like this McCabe one and yet to see anyone refute their accuracy or make accusations of partisan motivations.

    They cover gov figures on both sides and present things they say or events surrounding them without opinionated commentary judging the topic.

    It's about time someone just reported significant news in a facts-based model.
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  24. I35

    I35 5,000+ Posts

    I think "slanted" is the wrong word to use when describing the MSM.

    After all that's happened lately with obvious fake news, it seems that President Trump was right when he said the MSM is the enemy of the people. If they aren't going to be honest and truthful, then why do they have press credentials? Their intentions are very harmful to America.
  25. Brad Austin

    Brad Austin 2,500+ Posts

    I agree that was putting it mildly. How about calling it 'weaponized' MSM? :beertoast:
  26. OUBubba

    OUBubba 2,500+ Posts

    Who doesn't think our voters are stupid? Have you watched a Trump rally? [​IMG]
  27. Seattle Husker

    Seattle Husker 10,000+ Posts it any surprise a conservative like yourself would be a fan? I'd argue that is more like the USA Today for the internet. Their shoestring budget means their articles are extremely brief and void of any details that aren't available elsewhere. is much better in offering some aggregation/depth while ensuring they capture the viewpoints on all sides of the aisle, IMHO.
  28. Joe Fan

    Joe Fan 10,000+ Posts

    (a) the CNN guy in the video was admitting the CNN audience is dumb
    (b) Trump voters dont watch CNN. Indeed, based on CNN's current ratings trend, not many of either side are
  29. Seattle Husker

    Seattle Husker 10,000+ Posts

    For the record. CNN has it's most watched 2nd q ever for the total day. Of course, that may be due to them playing to their audience. I'm sure their daily watch of Trump stomping on his dick is helping their ratings too.

    From the article.
    I used to watch CNN before they tried to out-MSNBC MSNBC in their bid for the liberal crowd. The incessant panel debates with campaign surrogates who's sole job was to trumpet whatever talking point they were handed was the final straw for me.
  30. OUBubba

    OUBubba 2,500+ Posts

    The ACTUAL question: Would it be fair to question the intellect of the American voter?

    Ironically, John Oliver's viewers rank as the the most informed.

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