'The truth shall set you free'

Discussion in 'Quackenbush's' started by NightFlyer, Sep 23, 2008.

  1. NightFlyer

    NightFlyer 250+ Posts

    If you went or go to UT, you've seen it many times on the tower. What does this phrase mean to you?

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  2. Summerof79

    Summerof79 2,500+ Posts

    that if you are truthful in life, you truly have freedom unencumbered.
     
  3. 7 Iron

    7 Iron 500+ Posts

    It reminds of the time that General Robert E. Lee freed the slaves.
     
  4. Dionysus

    Dionysus Idoit Admin

    When you come to understand the truth of who you are you will know there is nothing to fear.

    (Technically the quote is not on the tower, it's on the Main Building.)
     
  5. accuratehorn

    accuratehorn 10,000+ Posts

    That the pursuit of truth is the greatest endeavor for which we can aspire. It says, Ye Shall Seek the Truth, and The Truth Shall Set You Free.
    It's all in the seeking.

    Or as they put it at Farber College:
     
  6. Gone To Texas

    Gone To Texas 500+ Posts

    Technically, it says: "Ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall *make* you free."

    I did a summer study at the Univ de Guanajuato in Mexico and appreciated that they had the same line inscribed above the entrance of the main building: "La verdad os hara libres."
     
  7. accuratehorn

    accuratehorn 10,000+ Posts

    I better get down there and read the quote, it's been awhile.
     
  8. Anastasis

    Anastasis 1,000+ Posts

    ******* Bible graffiti.
     
  9. El Cid Vicious

    El Cid Vicious 100+ Posts

    I like "Money Talks" better.
     
  10. mop

    mop 2,500+ Posts

    it means that someone who follows Jesus' teachings, they are really his followers and those people will know the truth and will be set free by it.
     
  11. accuratehorn

    accuratehorn 10,000+ Posts

    OK, it is from John, 8:32, and refers to knowing Christ.
    But I don't think all that see the quote on the tower see the words from a strictly Christian interpretation. There are those of many religions and cultures who find the words inspirational, and a call to find truth a worthwhile pursuit, and in fact, words to live by.
     
  12. Red Five

    Red Five 500+ Posts


     
  13. NBMisha

    NBMisha 500+ Posts

    Though borrowed from Christian writings, it is manifestly an academic proclamation, i.e. secular.

    I have always read it as the pursuit of true knowledge will free one from the servitude of ignorance and falsehood. In this sense, it is for me positively anti religious.

    Of course those who put it there did not have that in mind. They were bible totin' folk, no doubt.
     
  14. Bob in Houston

    Bob in Houston 2,500+ Posts


     
  15. accuratehorn

    accuratehorn 10,000+ Posts

    I would find it interesting to know the intent of the original person who selected the quote-were they selecting a quote that sounded good for academic pursuit of all kinds, or were they placing it there to urge the students to find Christ? Or some of both lines of thinking?
    I know a true Christian will say the quote only means there is one truth, and that is Christ.
    But those are great words, and can be interpreted more than one way.
     
  16. Anastasis

    Anastasis 1,000+ Posts


     
  17. Anastasis

    Anastasis 1,000+ Posts

    [qutoe]I know a true Christian will say the quote only means there is one truth, and that is Christ.

     
  18. THEU

    THEU 2,500+ Posts

    the issue is that the meaning of words is not determined by the listener, but rather by the speaker.

    This is a pretty basic concept within communication. The speaker defines his/her own words, not the listener.

    Ye shall know the truth and the truth shall make you free, is about the fact that true freedom is found only in knowing Jesus. Jesus very clearly states that He IS the way, the truth, and the life. If He is the truth, then knowing HIm is what makes people free.

    Now, if people want to say that the words on the main building are NOT the words of Jesus, but rather lifted from Jesus and applied to the academic pursuit at The University, then we would have to see what the person who 'said' them meant. I can see that this would be the intent of the words chiseled into the stone rather than what Jesus said. It all depends on who the speaker is and what the intent is.

    This is very off subject but interesting. I always am amazed at how the foundations of Harvard are so far from where the University is today. Just shows how things change from the beginning. I wonder how the view of 'Ye shall know the truth and the truth shall make you free.' has changed even at UT. I doubt most students know it is a quote from Jesus. I always wanted to take a poll standing under it when I was a student. I just wanted to ask people, "Who said that?" and see what they said.

    During its early years, the College offered a classic academic course based on the English university model but consistent with the prevailing Puritan philosophy of the first colonists in New England. The College was affiliated with the Congregationalist denomination. An early brochure, published in 1643, justified the College's existence: "To advance Learning and perpetuate it to Posterity; dreading to leave an illiterate Ministry to the Churches." Harvard's early motto was "For Christ and the Church." In a directive to its students, it laid out the purpose of all education: "Let every student be plainly instructed and consider well that the main end of his life and studies is to know God and Jesus, which is eternal life. And therefore to lay Christ at the bottom as the only foundation of all sound learning and knowledge."

    from wiki article on Harvard University
     
  19. The Bone

    The Bone 100+ Posts

    The truth shall MAKE you free
     
  20. OldHippie

    OldHippie 2,500+ Posts

    "Money talks" is the truth and money can make you free in all manner of ways, including electing people who will push your moral agenda, whatever it is, unless of course, it's to get money out of politics.
     
  21. softlynow

    softlynow 1,000+ Posts

    That accepting the truth that Greg Davis is the best offensive coordinator for a team whose head coach is Mack Brown will make you free to enjoy Saturday afternoons without worrying what droves of numbsculls on the internets think.
     
  22. That's Right

    That's Right 500+ Posts


     
  23. accuratehorn

    accuratehorn 10,000+ Posts

    I think we can all agree that the original quote from the New Testament is the quote etched in stone on the tower, and what it means. But does anyone know who selected that quote, and was the intent strictly to communicate Christian values, or general academic pursuit in the University setting?
    I would guess there was the religious intent, ala Harvard's original stated purpose.
     
  24. The Eyes of Texas

    The Eyes of Texas 500+ Posts


     
  25. 7 Iron

    7 Iron 500+ Posts


     
  26. dognduckhorn

    dognduckhorn 500+ Posts

    Truth, through knowledge, is the foundation of a free people. But what do I know?

    On a more literal level, I always thought that since the Registar's and Bursar's offices were in the Main Building, that once my grades were posted, the University was going to set me free, sans diploma.... [​IMG]

    But this will date me and the other posters on here, I always thought Jay and Skip had the right idea with "Money Talks". That and the Lucky Lifetime Lottery Sweepstakes to handle the problem of Tower suicides and painting the Tower in rainbow shades.....
     
  27. buckhorn

    buckhorn 1,000+ Posts

    It would be great to one day take my daughters shopping for a college and find the words 'Money Talks and ******** Walks' engraved greek stylie over the main building's doorway. 'This is where the truth will be setting you free, sweetheart.'
     
  28. MaduroUTMB

    MaduroUTMB 2,500+ Posts

    Christ is the Truth, but that doesn't preclude any other take on the word. To understand the glory of Creation is to better understand God, which is a great thing to have carved over the Natural Sciences Library.
     
  29. ihearttajeallen

    ihearttajeallen 250+ Posts

    christ? I thought it was a reference to the boxer - Carl "the truth" Williams

    of course, he got his *** beat.
     
  30. tbone

    tbone 250+ Posts

    All you really need are three chords and the truth.

    Its why Austin is the live music capital o fthe world.
     

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