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Discussion in 'West Mall' started by Joe Fan, Jul 25, 2016.

  1. Monahorns

    Monahorns 5,000+ Posts

    mb227, they don't want to grasp anything you or I have to say. They want to destroy us. Once you see people online (all over social media and here) calling for the killing of a private company strictly over speech. They are telling you exactly what they want and what they are willing to do to get it.

    First it is the app, then it is the website, then it is the business loans, then it is residential loans, then it is hospitals, then it is grocery stores. The end game is to starve those who refuse to curtail their speech and/or submit.
     
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  2. Monahorns

    Monahorns 5,000+ Posts

    From what I read Gab has all their own infrastructure. It will be much harder to get rid of them.

    It will be strange but what will end up happening if this continues is that free speech platforms will be hosted from other countries. There are already browsers which are free speech or open platform.
     
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  3. Monahorns

    Monahorns 5,000+ Posts

    Twitter is also erasing followers from conservatives. Thousands at a time.
     
  4. Monahorns

    Monahorns 5,000+ Posts

    It isn't TDS though. It is Leftism. Leftists always end up at tyranny and totalitarianism as their get more and more power. The Ds today are very similar to the "good Germans" of the 30s.
     
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  5. Joe Fan

    Joe Fan 10,000+ Posts

    "To whom do you award the right to decide which speech is harmful or who is the harmful speaker? To whom would you delegate the task of deciding for you what you could read?"
    — Christopher Hitchens

    Why not just let the people decide for themselves what they think of Alex Jones?
    You really think the world is better if the arbiter of what the people should hear and not hear is you?
     
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  6. PecosBill

    PecosBill 1,000+ Posts

    That is exactly why the courts ruled against Alex Jones in Travis County and his "freedom speech" that was causing damage. The courts set the damages and he is off most social media as a result.

    Jones can find a new platform where his preferred type of freedom speech is welcome.

    Last week it was a bullhorn in DC.
     
  7. mchammer

    mchammer 10,000+ Posts

     
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    mchammer 10,000+ Posts

     
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  9. iatrogenic

    iatrogenic 2,500+ Posts

    There is an abnormal amount of censoring going on in the world. Give an unqualified person a little power and they tend to misuse it.
    I am vehemently against the idea that non-government created monopolies exist, but the concurrent actions of Amazon, Apple and Google, and other vendors, against Parler certainly appears to be tortious interference. Curious to see how the lawsuit goes.
     
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  10. Joe Fan

    Joe Fan 10,000+ Posts

    I did warn you they would be coming after George Washington too

     
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  11. Joe Fan

    Joe Fan 10,000+ Posts

    Big Tech owns the courts too
    They own everything, can do whatever they want
    They are a lot like China
     
  12. Joe Fan

    Joe Fan 10,000+ Posts

    Not it's not
     
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  14. Horn2RunAgain

    Horn2RunAgain 1,000+ Posts

    liberals gonna liberal
     
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  15. theiioftx

    theiioftx Sponsor Deputy

    I posted this a while back, but if you are a conservative on twitter or FB, you are perpetuating the problem. Closing your accounts and divesting their stock is the answer.
     
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  16. mb227

    mb227 2,500+ Posts

    The stock is part of the issue...but don't just divest. Short the hell out of it and make some money in the process. Seriously.

    Pick and choose the moments though, and be content to make a few bucks at a time. I expect TWTR to be propped by the institutions for a while after the massive drop early this AM but I expect they will ALSO be trying to unwind positions. Elimination of half of your user base simply because of who they voted for tends not to be a wise proposition for a business that makes its money on use of a website...

    Institutions carry 70% of the TWTR stock in play. They won't carry it forever.
     
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  17. Duck Dodgers

    Duck Dodgers 1,000+ Posts

    Both have Iran and twatter similar views on the United States, so it's understandable.

    Look, those 6000 square foot mansions in SF aren't given to tech workers, they have to be paid for. So the grand bargain they have made is to be the IT service to everyone else in the world, democracies, and dictators alike, to fund their lifestyle, and immunity to the economic pressure of who they really hate - American conservatives.
     
  18. Seattle Husker

    Seattle Husker 10,000+ Posts

    I appreciate the response, notwithstanding the intelligence insult. You're conflating many issues here. Free Speech, Prior Restraint, Monopoly each are distinct concepts that you've rolled into a ball and gloated that you were able to make some coin. Good for you on the financial side. More money to gamble in Vegas now, huh?

    Legally, this is not a first amendment issue because the government is not involved. I'm surprised lawyers are trying to apply first amendment principles onto a free market situation. If you don't like the household analogy try Home Depot. Are you going to say that Home Depot doesn't have the right to refuse service to any customer? If so, it's amazing to me that just a few years ago conservatives argued that any business should be able to refuse service to any customer for any reason whether they be LGTBQ, Muslim or other. Political expediency is equally as amazing for all sides of the political spectrum.

    Prior Restraint? You don't think they have ToS that allows them to boot anyone at any time? Have you forgotten that in most cases each of these companies have a multiple "strike" process and these accounts have reached the end of their rope? NONE of this is a surprise to investors other than Donald Trump's actions. Media has been discussing the potential of a permanent Trump ban at the end of his tenure because he violated their terms of service, repeatedly. Twitter recently stated that if Trump violated their ToS after his tenure he'd fall under the same restrictions as anyone else. As an aside, you are overstating Twitter's stock fall. It's dropped ~10% since 1/6. Certainly that was due to Trump's suspension.

    I'm curious what accountability for irresponsible use of free speech looks like. Let's take Twitter out of the question. Does @Dionysus have the right to ban a user that doesn't follow his ToS?
     
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  19. nashhorn

    nashhorn 5,000+ Posts

    I might be wrong but I think the central issue is an equal application of their stated ToS standard.
     
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  20. Seattle Husker

    Seattle Husker 10,000+ Posts

    I haven't read their ToS but would wager they have some catchall that allows them to cancel any account at any time for any reason they choose and they don't have to give a reason why. Just a guess that most ToS include a "get out of jail free" clause.
     
  21. OUBubba

    OUBubba Reluctant and Bullied Sponsor

    Colin kaepernick would disagree with you.
     
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  22. Joe Fan

    Joe Fan 10,000+ Posts

    Musk on the Left ganging up to shut down Parler

    A lot of people are going to be super unhappy with West Coast high tech as the de facto arbiter of free speech

     
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  23. Joe Fan

    Joe Fan 10,000+ Posts

     
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  24. mchammer

    mchammer 10,000+ Posts

     
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  25. mb227

    mb227 2,500+ Posts

    There is more than just the ToS box at issue...there are the claims they advance to prospective and current shareholders. A publicly traded company that makes claims in the various filings has obligations that a privately held entity might have been able to evade.

    There was a point in time where Twitter took the obligations seriously. On three occasions, I had the males in makeup try to get me booted and my account was indefinitely locked. On three occasions, I over-nighted the letter to their General Counsel pointing out the lack of a stated violation per their own documents and also pointing out that a claim could be advanced to the SEC if they so chose. In EACH instance, the account was active within less than two hours of the FedEx envelope having been received.

    They have no real appeal process that functions. There is also no consistency to the 'report' function. I had someone who tried to put a lot of public information about me through a series of tweets. It was a greater number than fit in one report...despite it being clear doxing using non-public information, only one of the two reports was deemed to be a violation. The user was not banned or even suspended for the one that was sustained.

    A company cannot claim to have processes and then not follow those processes or fail to apply them equally. When they fail so miserably and one-sided, it harms shareholder valuation.
     
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  26. mchammer

    mchammer 10,000+ Posts

     
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  27. horninchicago

    horninchicago 10,000+ Posts

    Can't wait, actually I can because they are all full of ****, to see how the libs on here will defend this.

    He's joking, it's satire blah blah blah. Better still, trump's rhetoric caused it.

    Racism!!!

    Something like that.
     
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  28. nashhorn

    nashhorn 5,000+ Posts

    Better still you’ll never hear it again.
     
  29. mchammer

    mchammer 10,000+ Posts

  30. 4th_floor

    4th_floor Dude, where's my laptop?

    Interesting. I can't see twitter anymore as of this afternoon. But I think I'll be ok.
    Edit: It's a problem with my Chrome browser. When I switched to Edge, I can see it again.
     

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