UK may vote to leave the European Union

Discussion in 'West Mall' started by Mr. Deez, Jun 14, 2016.

  1. Mr. Deez

    Mr. Deez 5,000+ Posts

    You all may not give a crap about this, but it's a big deal over here. Here's a good story on it. Link. Most people expected that the UK would vote to stay in the EU, but the polls are suggesting otherwise with the election just over a week away. Furthermore, the voters who support leaving are considered to be far more motivated to turnout. If they leave (which I think they should), it would be a very big deal.
     
  2. Seattle Husker

    Seattle Husker 5,000+ Posts

    I saw that The Sun came out with a pro-BREXIT endorsement yesterday. If the Brits do leave the EU is that essentially the beginning of the end? I liken this to when Nebraska/Colorado left the Big 12.
     
  3. Mr. Deez

    Mr. Deez 5,000+ Posts

    I don't think you'll see other countries immediately try to leave. I think they'll wait and see how the UK fares once it leaves. The "Remain Camp" are mainly relying on fear and predictions of economic and political calamity to incite voters not to vote to leave. If the predictions end up being wrong or grossly exaggerated, then I think other nations will follow.
     
  4. Musburger1

    Musburger1 1,000+ Posts

    Unlike The UK, many of the countries in the EU don't have their own currency. For that reason as much as anything, belonging to the EU has proved disastrous for Greece, Italy, Spain, and some others. They are trapped. At least the UK is in a better situation in that respect whatever it decides to do.
     
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  5. mchammer

    mchammer 2,500+ Posts

    Like Trump winning the election? Sorry, couldn't resist. By the way, Trump supports Brexit.
     
  6. Mr. Deez

    Mr. Deez 5,000+ Posts

    Even a broken clock is right twice per day.
     
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  7. Htown77

    Htown77 2,500+ Posts

    I am pro Brexit. My grandmother is from London and she always said they did not survive the blitz and fight two world wars to end up being ruled by the germans.

    If the remain camp loses, it is because they have kept saying totally ridiculous things. I think one of them said that Britain leaving would be the end of western civilization or something crazy.

    The worst are the scots that want to secede and join the EU if Brexit happens. Anyone that thinks Scotland's first action after independence from the english should be to submit to continental Europe does not deserve to be called a scotsman.

    Finally, very disappointed in the President campaigning for remain. He should not, as president, have expressed an opinion either way. He should have just said we will continue to support our British allies regardless.
     
    Last edited: Jun 14, 2016
  8. Mr. Deez

    Mr. Deez 5,000+ Posts

    I'm sure there's some of that sentiment from older Brits, but I think the biggest complaint is that the EU is too powerful and intrusive and not responsive enough to the concerns of the people it governs. It would piss most Americans off if some governing body that they had only nominal influence over and was located (for example) in Panama City was making a massive amount of law that was supreme over their own federal and state laws. It would make matters worse if the people running that body were arrogant and elitist.

    It's an all or nothing strategy, because if those stupid predictions end up being wrong, it will give a huge boost to Euroskeptics all over Europe. Basically, the Remain advocates will lose all credibility.

    However, I do think Musburger has a point. The fact that the UK is still on the Pound Sterling (which was a VERY smart decision by them) makes things a lot easier for them. Economically strong Eurozone countries (France, Germany, Netherlands, etc.) would have a tougher time but could probably do it if they really wanted to. However, if a country like Spain or Greece (economically weak Eurozone countries) tried to leave and restore their old, worthless currencies, it would be a much tougher transition.

    The currency issue is one thing that sank the Scottish independence referendum. Britain was going to kick them off the Pound Sterling if they left, and they weren't going to be able to adopt the Euro for at least a few years. That means they would have had to bring back the Pound Scots for a while, which would have made the transition pretty painful.

    I thought that was just disgusting during the Scottish referendum. They don't deserve independence.

    He was undoubtedly taking marching orders from corporate interests and banks in the US, who benefit from European integration generally and from UK membership in the EU in particular. However, I agree. It was a dumb move. The position of the US should be that the the Brexit vote is an internal matter for the people of the UK to decide and that the US will support their decision and work with them as political, economic, and military allies either way.
     
    Last edited: Jun 15, 2016
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  9. Joe Fan

    Joe Fan 10,000+ Posts

  10. Mr. Deez

    Mr. Deez 5,000+ Posts

  11. Htown77

    Htown77 2,500+ Posts

  12. Joe Fan

    Joe Fan 10,000+ Posts

  13. Joe Fan

    Joe Fan 10,000+ Posts

    Disagree
    Looks like maj of natives favor leave

    So, what is up with the bettors?
    My guess is that they are counting on immigrants. The vast maj of immigrants favor stay (primarily bc of the passport/travel ease for families). However they dont have strong history of voting.

    So, if this is it, then the issue is -- do they cast votes this time?
     
    Last edited: Jun 16, 2016
  14. Mr. Deez

    Mr. Deez 5,000+ Posts

    I know how the polls are looking. I'm just saying that I think the bookies assume that people won't actually pull the trigger for leaving, despite what they're telling pollsters - a little like the Bradley Effect in US elections.
     
  15. Joe Fan

    Joe Fan 10,000+ Posts

    The bettors usually get it right
    We will know in about a week
     
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  16. Joe Fan

    Joe Fan 10,000+ Posts

  17. Htown77

    Htown77 2,500+ Posts

  18. Joe Fan

    Joe Fan 10,000+ Posts

  19. Htown77

    Htown77 2,500+ Posts

    Yes Cameron is.

    Full quote: “It’s true that this gives us an opportunity to have an even more important role than the one we already have with the United States, and don’t forget about one other thing: we’ll be talking about Gibraltar the very next day.”

    ^ Does this mean Spain is open to taking Puerto Rico back? How about they leave Gibraltar alone and take Puerto Rico and its debt off our hands.
     
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  20. Joe Fan

    Joe Fan 10,000+ Posts

    " ...... the assailant shouted "Britain First". "
    per SkyNews
     
  21. Clean

    Clean 5,000+ Posts

    Spain better review what GB did to Argentina over the falklands.
     
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  22. Mr. Deez

    Mr. Deez 5,000+ Posts

    That's a load of BS. Spain would never have the balls to try that, and everybody knows it. And if they got enough liquid courage to try, they'd get ***** slapped.
     
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  23. Seattle Husker

    Seattle Husker 5,000+ Posts

  24. UTChE96

    UTChE96 1,000+ Posts

    I never knew University of Kentucky was in the European Conference.
     
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  25. Htown77

    Htown77 2,500+ Posts

    ^ they are trying to SECede at the moment.
     
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  26. Joe Fan

    Joe Fan 10,000+ Posts

    See his reported quote above^

     
  27. Joe Fan

    Joe Fan 10,000+ Posts

    So the MP died - may she RIP


    Next comes the disgusting spectacle of attempts to use her death for poltical purposes
     
  28. Mr. Deez

    Mr. Deez 5,000+ Posts

    And she has passed away. Very sad. Link.
     
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  29. Joe Fan

    Joe Fan 10,000+ Posts

    That claim above about what the bad guy shouted came from an MP's tweet which has since been deleted. So, its possible Maria Eagle was mistaken or even lied about it. If the latter, she should be punished.

    The latest is that the shooter is mentally ill with no history of interest in politics or the Brexit vote




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  30. Mr. Deez

    Mr. Deez 5,000+ Posts

    The BBC story still claims an eyewitness said the guy was shouting"put Britain first or Britain First." For those who don't know, Britain First is a vocal British nationalist organization that focus heavily on Islamic immigration.

    And I'm sure the slimy politicians and pro-Remain media people will exploit this.
     
    Last edited: Jun 17, 2016

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