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Discussion in 'West Mall' started by Musburger1, Feb 10, 2018.
Corker part of Deep State? Haley?
A badly needed tutorial. Venezuela, Columbia, and Big Oil.
Take this in Monahorns. Probably not quite the picture we’ve been painted down there.
What about our house?
Suicide in the United States - Wikipedia
Question: If Maduro and “socialism” is the cause of all this suffering, and the US government is so concerned about the well-being of the population, why is it necessary to place hard sanctions on the country which only ensures suffering? Funny we don’t sanction Nigeria and other corrupt, dictatorial regimes where populations are suffering.
I must admit I was unaware millions of Americans were fleeing the US. Is that what they show on Russian TV? From here, it seems like millions are risking their lives and the lives of their children to break into US.
We do, see Russia
The suicide rate is what I’m addressing. As far as the exodus out of Venezuela, a high percentage of these people had originally migrated into Venezuela from Columbia to escape the violence. Now that they are returning, the media ignores this piece of information and paints it to suit our government’s propaganda effort.
That is some KGB-level rationalization, bravo
But if you are correct about the millions of Americans fleeing the US just like the millions of Venezuelans fleeing there, think of the tremendous photo op that will be presented when the lines of Americans crosses paths with the lines Of Hondurans trying to get into the US! Maybe they will swap recipes, discuss where the cleanest toilets are to be found?
I never said Americans were fleeing the country. Where the hell are you getting that from?
The US suicide rate is connected to the opioid epidemic, meaning despair fueled by an excess of things. The Venezuelan suicide rate is connected to societal and economic collapse, meaning a lack of things and an excess of violence.
Venezuelans are running away to places with more things, like Colombia. In Colombia they have more things and less violence.
Colombia is not safer than Velenzuela. It is once again on the verge of civil war.
Again, if our government is so concerned with human rights, and use such as the rationale to destroy countries (Libya and Iraq being two examples), does it make since to support policies which only starve civilians and create refugees? Of course not. The true issue we have with Velenzuela and Iran has nothing to do with how the government treats their people. The real issue is oil and these countries choosing sovereignty over vassal status. But to justify sanctions and aggression, the propagandists use human rights abuse accusations and corruption to sway the American public toward acquiescence. And then we work to orchestrate regime change with the support of our brainwashed public. While simultaneously we shower the Saudis and Nigerian dictators with bribe mone, arms, and support. Pompeo serves basically the same purpose is Goebels did for Nazi Germany. More than anything he is a minister of propaganda.
Spewing crap such as that in the above statement is why you have no credibility.
Your ignorance never fails to astound.
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Colombia's social leaders 'very scared' amid surge in murders
Bloomberg - Are you a robot?
Colombia: Two More Social Leaders Killed, 158 Murdered So Far in 2018
The Narco War in Colombia Is Not Over. Trump’s Policies Are Fueling the Fire.
You know the rule; as soon as you make a Nazi comparison you become a lying sack, and lose the argument.
Sorry, but I don’t play the politically correct game. If you are too blind to see the obvious similarity of Pompeo’s propagandist rants with those of Goebels, that’s your problem. It is what it is.
Shouldn't you be killing dissidents, or hacking computers, or stealing industrial secrets, or starving your people? Why waste so much time on false propaganda when you could be engaged in fruitful activities?
Better be careful opening your mail. Someone (Putin?) may be engaging in such a fruitful activity.
More on Colombia. This is our new NATO partner whom we are supporting in South America. If the Saudis are the most oppressive, corrupt, and brutal regime, Colombia might be a distant second.
The Duque effect: one social leader is assassinated in Colombia almost every day now
Duque sends 5000 troops to northeast Colombia days after locals beg not to militarize region
Colombia's 10 top corporations, or mafia organizations?
Hyperinflation in Venezuela passes 149,000%
The Bolivar is almost irrelevant so the statistic means nothing. The Petro, a cryptocurrency, is now the mechanism of exchange, and it is based on oil. The US dollar is based on nothing but trust.
Here is what your Petro will buy you
Water that stinks of petrol
The Bolivar is irrelevant because the government prints too many of them. Central planning of money supply is a bad bad thing people.
A government may print excess money when lending is cut off via sanctions and de facto control of the IMF, SWIFT, and the world bank. This is the United States financial way of waging war as we’ve seen with Russia, North Korea, and Iran to varying degrees. The sanctions are designed to cut off credit, starve the people (in the words of John Bolton recently in his verbal assault on Iran), and lead to regime change. Socialism is blamed in the case of Venezuela when in fact governments from Canada to Sweden are socialist. Hell, the US is socialist to a great extent. The US is definitely centrally planned now as the federal reserves controls monetary policy and the Pentagon controls foreign policy, all of which happens with virtually zero input or oversight by elected officials.
Central Planning of most things .....
Musberger, you are being dishonest or you don't really understand what you are talking about. Cutting off credit does not make the Venezuelan government print Bolivars until they are worthless. In fact, the issue would be worse if you took the same level of Venezuelan central bank supply creation and then added foreign credit on top of it. The one thing that can help their currency is having less of it. It has noting to do with the US either. We don't force them, and can't, to devalue their currency.
I agree with the last half of your statement. Central banks, including the federal reserve, are a form of socialism. I prefer the therm fascist though. The public/private nature of it warrants the change in label. The US has centrally planned monetary policy through the Fed and it is set up to favor large bankers, lobbyists, and defense contractors. No doubt.
JF, are you saying money supply is an exception to the rule? If so, I am curious to know why you say that.
Most any government is going to debase its currency when under pressure. Sanctions are relevant. Look what has happened to the ruble as well as the Iranian currencies while hit with sanctions. Without sanctions, a country such as Venezuela can borrow money in order to repair oil infrastructure and eventually use the additional revenue generated by the improvements to pay back the loans. This is the whole purpose of the sanctions; to prevent the economy from rebuilding, leading to hardship, dissatisfaction among the citizens, followed by regime change.