Pg 22 of the HC Bill MANDATES the Govt will audit books of ALL EMPLOYERS that self insure!! Pg 30 Sec 123 of HC bill - THERE WILL BE A GOVT COMMITTEE that decides what treatments/benes u get Pg 29 lines 4-16 in the HC bill - YOUR HEALTHCARE IS RATIONED!!! Pg 42 of HC Bill - The Health Choices Commissioner will choose UR HC Benefits 4 you. U have no choice! PG 50 Section 152 in HC bill - HC will be provided 2 ALL non US citizens, illegal or otherwise Pg 58HC Bill - Govt will have real-time access 2 individs finances & a National ID Healthcard will b issued! Pg 59 HC Bill lines 21-24 Govt will have direct access 2 ur banks accts 4 elect. funds transfer PG 65 Sec 164 is a payoff subsidized plan 4 retirees and their families in Unions & community orgs (ACORN). Pg 72 Lines 8-14 Govt is creating an HC Exchange 2 bring priv HC plans under Govt control. PG 84 Sec 203 HC bill - Govt mandates ALL benefit pkgs 4 priv. HC plans in the Exchange PG 85 Line 7 HC Bill - Specs for of Benefit Levels for Plans = The Govt will ration ur Healthcare! PG 91 Lines 4-7 HC Bill - Govt mandates linguistic approp svcs. Example - Translation 4 illegal aliens Pg 95 HC Bill Lines 8-18 The Govt will use groups i.e., ACORN & Americorps 2 sign up indiv. for Govt HC plan PG 85 Line 7 HC Bill - Specs of Ben Levels 4 Plans. #AARP members - U Health care WILL b rationed -PG 102 Lines 12-18 HC Bill - Medicaid Eligible Indiv. will b automat.enrolled in Medicaid. No choice pg 124 lines 24-25 HC No company can sue GOVT on price fixing. No "judicial review" against Govt Monop pg 127 Lines 1-16 HC Bill - Doctors/ #AMA - The Govt will tell YOU what u can make. Pg 145 Line 15-17 An Employer MUST auto enroll employees into pub opt plan. NO CHOICE Pg 126 Lines 22-25 Employers MUST pay 4 HC 4 part time employees AND their families. Pg 149 Lines 16-24 ANY Emplyr w payroll 400k & above who does not prov. pub opt. pays 8% tax on all payroll pg 150 Lines 9-13 Biz w payroll btw 251k & 400k who doesnt prov. pub. opt pays 2-6% tax on all payroll Pg 167 Lines 18-23 ANY individual who doesnt have acceptable HC accrdng 2 Govt will be taxed 2.5% of inc Pg 170 Lines 1-3 HC Bill Any NONRESIDENT Alien is exempt from indiv. taxes. (Americans will pay) Pg 195 HC Bill -officers & employees of HC Admin (GOVT) will have access 2 ALL Americans finan/pers recs PG 203 Line 14-15 HC - "The tax imposed under this section shall not be treated as tax" Yes, it says that Pg 239 Line 14-24 HC Bill Govt will reduce physician svcs 4 Medicaid. Seniors, low income, poor affected Pg 241 Line 6-8 HC Bill - Doctors, doesnt matter what specialty u have, you'll all be paid the same PG 253 Line 10-18 Govt sets value of Dr's time, prof judg, etc. Literally value of humans. PG 265 Sec 1131Govt mandates & controls productivity for private HC industries PG 268 Sec 1141 Fed Govt regulates rental & purchase of power driven wheelchairs PG 272 SEC. 1145. TREATMENT OF CERTAIN CANCER HOSPITALS - Cancer patients - welcome to rationing! Page 280 Sec 1151 The Govt will penalize hospitals 4 what Govt deems preventable readmissions. Pg 298 Lines 9-11 Drs, treat a patient during initial admiss that results in a readmiss-Govt will penalize u. Pg 317 L 13-20 OMG!! PROHIBITION on ownership/investment. Govt tells Drs. what/how much they can own. Pg 317-318 lines 21-25,1-3 PROHIBITION on expansion- Govt is mandating hospitals cannot expand pg 321 2-13 Hospitals have oppt to apply for exception BUT community input required. Can u say ACORN?!! Pg335 L 16-25 Pg 336-339 - Govt mandates estab. of outcome based measures. HC the way they want. Rationing Pg 341 Lines 3-9 Govt has authority 2 disqual Medicare Adv Plans, HMOs, etc. Forcing peeps in2 Govt plan Pg 354 Sec 1177 - Govt will RESTRICT enrollment of Special needs ppl! WTF. My sis has down syndrome!! Pg 379 Sec 1191 Govt creates more bureaucracy - Telehealth Advisory Cmtte. Can u say HC by phone? PG 425 Lines 4-12 Govt mandates Advance Care Planning Consult. Think Senior Citizens end of life Pg 425 Lines 17-19 Govt will instruct & consult regarding living wills, durable powers of atty. Mandatory! PG 425 Lines 22-25, 426 Lines 1-3 Govt provides apprvd list of end of life resources, guiding u in death PG 427 Lines 15-24 Govt mandates program 4 orders 4 end of life. The Govt has a say in how ur life ends Pg 429 Lines 1-9 An "adv. care planning consult" will b used frequently as patients health deteriorates PG 429 Lines 10-12 "adv. care consultation" may incl an ORDER 4 end of life plans. AN ORDER from GOV Pg 429 Lines 13-25 - The govt will specify which Doctors can write an end of life order. PG 430 Lines 11-15 The Govt will decide what level of treatment u will have at end of life Pg 469 - Community Based Home Medical Services=Non profit orgs. Hello, ACORN Medical Svcs here!!? Page 472 Lines 14-17 PAYMENT TO COMMUNITY-BASED ORG. 1 monthly payment 2 a community-based org. Like ACORN? PG 489 Sec 1308 The Govt will cover Marriage & Family therapy. Which means they will insert Govt in2 ur marriage Pg 494-498 Govt will cover Mental Health Svcs including defining, creating, rationing those svcs HR3200 not what they want you to believe it is
I decided to check the one that ProdigalHorn quoted: Pg 95 HC Bill Lines 8-18 The Govt will use groups i.e., ACORN & Americorps 2 sign up indiv. for Govt HC plan Neither ACORN nor Americorps are mentioned. Outside groups aren’t even mentioned. So I checked just one and it turns out to be ********, as e-mail forwards spread among wingers tend to be.
I haven't checked all of them yet, but I'm planning to do that today. However, that doesn't mean I can't make an ACORN joke when it presents itself.
The link provided is the actual bill. I am going to check these too to see how much is real, and how much is BS. At this point the only thing I know for sure is Obama is lying about pretty much everything. He admitted he doesn't know what is in the bill, but he is telling us everyday how great it is. I also know there is BIPARTISAN Opposition to it which also says quite a bit about how crappy it is.
I think there's irony in someone not even bothering to fact-check an e-mail forward they post on this forum when one of the major complaints in the forward is that our representatives aren't fact-checking the big legislation packages. Fighting ignorance with ignorance!
It’s a religious belief, not an intellectual one. It is felt, not known. Wingers are guided by pre-thought emotions.
Perhaps you interpret this to mean you can get any insurance you want whenever you want. SEC. 102. PROTECTING THE CHOICE TO KEEP CURRENT 2 COVERAGE. 3 (a) GRANDFATHERED HEALTH INSURANCE COV4 ERAGE DEFINED.—Subject to the succeeding provisions of 5 this section, for purposes of establishing acceptable cov6 erage under this division, the term ‘‘grandfathered health 7 insurance coverage’’ means individual health insurance 8 coverage that is offered and in force and effect before the 9 first day of Y1 if the following conditions are met: 10 (1) LIMITATION ON NEW ENROLLMENT.— 11 (A) IN GENERAL.—Except as provided in 12 this paragraph, the individual health insurance 13 issuer offering such coverage does not enroll 14 any individual in such coverage if the first ef15 fective date of coverage is on or after the first 16 day of Y1. 17 (B) DEPENDENT COVERAGE PER18 MITTED.—Subparagraph (A) shall not affect 19 the subsequent enrollment of a dependent of an 20 individual who is covered as of such first day. 21 (2) LIMITATION ON CHANGES IN TERMS OR 22 CONDITIONS.—Subject to paragraph (3) and except 23 as required by law, the issuer does not change any 24 of its terms or conditions, including benefits and 25 cost-sharing, from those in effect as of the day be26 fore the first day of Y1. VerDate Nov 24 2008 23:22 Jul 14, 2009 Jkt 079200 PO 00000 Frm 00016 Fmt 6652 Sfmt 6201 E:BILLSH3200.IH H3200 jlentini on DSKJ8SOYB1PROD with BILLS 17 •HR 3200 IH 1 (3) RESTRICTIONS ON PREMIUM INCREASES.— 2 The issuer cannot vary the percentage increase in 3 the premium for a risk group of enrollees in specific 4 grandfathered health insurance coverage without 5 changing the premium for all enrollees in the same 6 risk group at the same rate, as specified by the 7 Commissioner. 8 (b) GRACE PERIOD FOR CURRENT EMPLOYMENT9 BASED HEALTH PLANS.— 10 (1) GRACE PERIOD.— 11 (A) IN GENERAL.—The Commissioner 12 shall establish a grace period whereby, for plan 13 years beginning after the end of the 5-year pe14 riod beginning with Y1, an employment-based 15 health plan in operation as of the day before 16 the first day of Y1 must meet the same require17 ments as apply to a qualified health benefits 18 plan under section 101, including the essential 19 benefit package requirement under section 121.
The second one is correct. The Advisory Committee will consist of the Surgeon General and a panel appointed by the President and Comptroller General of the U.S. (Page 30, Section 123)
As for Obama he has told us some variation of all of the following: COvers everyone - it does not Reduces cost - it does not Keep your coverage intact - it may or may not depending on how you interpret Said that health cost were the largest contributor to our deficits and debt (he siad this yesterday on tv), and his solution is....add more cost via quasi universal healthcare to the government pay sheet Said it will not reduce benefits to elderly then said we had to make tough choices on procedures for elderly Said it would cover preexisting condition - it does not
"YOU WON'T BE ABLE TO BUY ANY INSURANCE YOU WANT!" - "This has always been true of private insurance." "THEY WILL DECIDE WHAT TREATMENT YOU CAN GET!" - "This has always been true of private insurance." "I CAN'T SUE THEM!" - "Lawsuits against private insurers are generally about them denying necessary coverage when they shouldn't, a public plan has no profit motive so it has no reason to deny necessary coverage." "I MIGHT HAVE TO SWITCH DOCTORS!" - "This has always been true of private insurance." "IT MIGHT BE SO MUCH CHEAPER THAN MY CURRENT PRIVATE INSURANCE THAT I WILL BE FORCED TO USE IT!" - "Cheaper is... a bad thing? I guess you could shovel some cash down a hole if it made you feel better."
I believe that #3 is wrong. This section actually appears to be limiting the cost to the recipient, (the patient) to $5000/yr or $10,000/family. (Correct me if I'm worng, but I had to go look up whether cost-sharing is the gov't's portion or the recipient's portion. It's the recipient's portion, I believe.)
IRC - I think you are correct re: #3. For the record, I'm not necessarily 100% in favor of this bill...but I am 100% against misinformation regarding this bill or any other bill. Fight it on its merits. Don't fight it based on misinformation or a buzz-word-happy misreading of the bill, which is what a majority of this list is.
#4 is essentially true. The Health Choices Commissioner is tasked with setting the standards of the plan and the enforcement thereof.
You mean you'd rather agree with guys who spread false emails and/or don't bother to read the bill themselves?
