3 Cheers for our good ally Israel!
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Monahorns
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I am not saying that either. I am saying we shouldn't assume either way. They aren't angels and they aren't devils. They are people that are very different than us, which means any kind of relationship will be fraught with risks.
I do think every country wants peace themselves. No one wants to be attacked. So there is incentive on both sides to avoid war.
They'll hash it out over ice cream. Joe likes ice cream.
They may want to eliminate Israel and America, but can they do either? No. Furthermore, do you know what you're really asking to do, and will you have the political support to do it?
So what's involved? First, we'd have a massive bombing campaign. We'd have immediate air supremacy, so this part would be easy. Everybody would be fine with this.
Second, we'd have to forcibly oust the regime and occupy the country. That would take several hundred thousand ground troops going all the way to Tehran. This would get messy at times. Plenty of innocent people killed, and of course, probably a few thousand troops would also be killed. I think the regime itself would fall pretty quickly. In fact, the leaders would probably flea and go into exile in Moscow or Beijing within a few days of US troops on Iranian territory. However, we'd have to deal with insurrections constantly for several years and keep thousands of troops there long term. Do we have the stomach for that? If Iraq and Afghanistan are any indication, no.
And of course, we now have anti-war movements not only on the Left but also on the Right. I just don't see us having the resolve to pull it off.
And this one goes way back to around the time right after Mohammed. I think it was when Ali was assassinated (Ali's followers became the Shiites). Sunnis and Shiites tend to hate each other, maybe even more than they hate Christians and Jews.
Monahorns
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No one is going to get what they want, like if they had 3 wishes from a genie in a bottle. Because of that everyone has to choose between tradeoffs. In order for everybody to actually have their highest priority satisfied, they will all have to make a set of choices that lead to peace. It will be an unstable peace. It will be a tense peace. Peace will also break down at times into war or other smaller conflicts. Then negotiation to set up another peace agreement is needed asap.
humahuma
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Yes, but what's he gonna do other than smell their hair?
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/live-blog/iran-attack-live-updates-rcna147781
Saudi Arabia ramps up regional diplomacy to avert Iran-Israel war
Middle East latest: Iran tells Israel 'our hands are on the trigger' and warns it knows where its nuclear sites are
Timeline: How the Iran-Israel conflict is developing | NHK WORLD-JAPAN News
Saudi Arabia ramps up regional diplomacy to avert Iran-Israel war
Middle East latest: Iran tells Israel 'our hands are on the trigger' and warns it knows where its nuclear sites are
Timeline: How the Iran-Israel conflict is developing | NHK WORLD-JAPAN News
Meanwhile, Iran uses this opportunity to crack down on women who were not wearing their hijab scarves correctly.
Some Iranian women say they fear war with Israel amid violent hijab crackdown
I wonder if Israel is cracking down on women who have not properly covered their heads?
Some Iranian women say they fear war with Israel amid violent hijab crackdown
I wonder if Israel is cracking down on women who have not properly covered their heads?
Iranian Politician Defends Death By Stoning ‘As Good Islamic Law’
Iranian politician defends stoning women to death as a good way to "protect women's rights."
"Iranian conservative politician and former diplomat Javad Larijani has defended stoning for adultery, saying it is a good Islamic law protecting “family values.”
Stoning, or lapidation, is a method of capital punishment where people throw stones at a person until the subject dies from blunt trauma. It is attested as a form of punishment for unlawful sexual intercourse.
In an interview with Fars website of the Revolutionary Guard Saturday, Iran’s former Secretary of High Council for Human Rights claimed some good laws have been passed by the Islamic Republic to protect women's rights.
He said stoning is one of the good Islamic laws and has been a very nice deterrent so far."
“When we say our women should enter the community, we should have provided them with a very safe work and social environment,” added Larijani stressing that “Stoning is a very important restraining law to protect the marriage contract of families.”
Iranian politician defends stoning women to death as a good way to "protect women's rights."
"Iranian conservative politician and former diplomat Javad Larijani has defended stoning for adultery, saying it is a good Islamic law protecting “family values.”
Stoning, or lapidation, is a method of capital punishment where people throw stones at a person until the subject dies from blunt trauma. It is attested as a form of punishment for unlawful sexual intercourse.
In an interview with Fars website of the Revolutionary Guard Saturday, Iran’s former Secretary of High Council for Human Rights claimed some good laws have been passed by the Islamic Republic to protect women's rights.
He said stoning is one of the good Islamic laws and has been a very nice deterrent so far."
“When we say our women should enter the community, we should have provided them with a very safe work and social environment,” added Larijani stressing that “Stoning is a very important restraining law to protect the marriage contract of families.”
Iranian politician defends stoning women to death as a good way to "protect women's rights."
This is the sort of mindset we are dealing with.Iranian politician defends stoning women to death as a good way to "protect women's rights."
Well, would your gf have diddled you if she knew she could be killed if she got caught?
Monahorns
10,000+ Posts
Starting a war with Iran would kill thousands of these women that you are concerned about. I would say being forced to wear a hijab is not near as bad as being killed. But that's just me.
Monahorns
10,000+ Posts
Iranian Politician Defends Death By Stoning ‘As Good Islamic Law’
Iranian politician defends stoning women to death as a good way to "protect women's rights."
"Iranian conservative politician and former diplomat Javad Larijani has defended stoning for adultery, saying it is a good Islamic law protecting “family values.”
Stoning, or lapidation, is a method of capital punishment where people throw stones at a person until the subject dies from blunt trauma. It is attested as a form of punishment for unlawful sexual intercourse.
In an interview with Fars website of the Revolutionary Guard Saturday, Iran’s former Secretary of High Council for Human Rights claimed some good laws have been passed by the Islamic Republic to protect women's rights.
He said stoning is one of the good Islamic laws and has been a very nice deterrent so far."
“When we say our women should enter the community, we should have provided them with a very safe work and social environment,” added Larijani stressing that “Stoning is a very important restraining law to protect the marriage contract of families.”
Obviously no one on this board agrees with this law. But what is the point of posting this information here? Is this justification to start a war with Iran? Again if women shouldn't be killed by stoning for adultery, should they be killed in a war for the crime of being Iranian?
The Islamists may have overreached.Iranian Politician Defends Death By Stoning ‘As Good Islamic Law’
Iranian politician defends stoning women to death as a good way to "protect women's rights."
"Iranian conservative politician and former diplomat Javad Larijani has defended stoning for adultery, saying it is a good Islamic law protecting “family values.”
Stoning, or lapidation, is a method of capital punishment where people throw stones at a person until the subject dies from blunt trauma. It is attested as a form of punishment for unlawful sexual intercourse.
In an interview with Fars website of the Revolutionary Guard Saturday, Iran’s former Secretary of High Council for Human Rights claimed some good laws have been passed by the Islamic Republic to protect women's rights.
He said stoning is one of the good Islamic laws and has been a very nice deterrent so far."
“When we say our women should enter the community, we should have provided them with a very safe work and social environment,” added Larijani stressing that “Stoning is a very important restraining law to protect the marriage contract of families.”
Per BBC - police presence is very heavy in Tehran. Anti-Regime Graffiti is appearing around Tehran. “Israel, bomb the supreme leader’s house next”, etc. The crackdown on women’s’ headdresses is part of this.
Inflation is now North of 40%.
There has been a rush on the stores for basics and things are running out.
The Iranian regime is worried. Like in Orwell’s 1984, they’re trying to deflect the people’s hatred away from the Regime and towards a foreign country. This ploy can backfire when your opponent’s military is superior. . See Argentina in the 1980s.
Monahorns
10,000+ Posts
Yeah. Iran's government better be careful if they want to stay in power. Starting up wars to sway popular opinion can work. But it can also backfire, see Russia in 1917. If Russia would not have entered or stayed in WW1 the Bolsheviks wouldn't have been able to overthrow the Czar. Once your army is focused on an external enemy, the government is open to internal challenges, especially if the army is out of the country.
Not a bit surprising. Any chance we could deport all of them to Iran?
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